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Subject:       Terziski Lecture #1 - Part 1




    The following is the first of two lectures given by 
    Engineer and Physicist VLADIMIR TERZISKI -- speaking at 
    the Seattle Preparedness Expo in September of 1993.  
        Transcribed for research purposes only.
    _____________________________________________________           


            VLADIMIR TERZISKI -- Lecture #1 

     SECRET ILLUMINATI SCIENCE - 150 YEARS OF RESEARCH IN ANTIGRAVITY

               --- (Part 1) --- 


    Thank you very much for sparing your time and coming here
   today.  I am extremely glad to be here again to this Preparedness
   Expo.  This is my second Expo actually - I went to Las Vegas
   several months ago.  I want to thank also the organizers of the
   Expo for putting this great group of speakers together.  It has
   been a never-ending university for myself too, for discovering
   things I never dreamed existed.

    Coming from Eastern Europe, I thought, "Gee, everything 
   in America is great, everything is ideal; we have a real
   working democracy here with no centralized totalitarian control of
   any kind."  And, boy was I amazed to discover...

    Anyway, I come from Bulgaria.  It is in Eastern Europe - a
   block north of Greece.  I have an education in physics and
   engineering.  I studied for six years in Tokai University in 
   Japan -- Bachelor degree in physics and Master's degree in
   engineering electronics.  I speak fluently Japanese, Russian,
   German, my native Bulgarian, and English, and I read technical
   literature in several other European languages - which has helped
   me a lot in piecing the puzzle together for these private
   technologies, developed around the world in great secrecy -- in
   great extreme secrecy.

    I have literally had inputs and suggestions, and whole loads 
   of material coming from the four corners of the globe.

    Several thoughts about socialism:  Everything we were told by
   our socialist governments about life under socialism was a
   monstrous lie.  We learned that - well, actually you can live
   economically much better under capitalism. Everything that Russians
   were taught about people disappearing without trace - they were
   told that there were no such disappearances - but it was a
   monstrous lie.  Sixty million Russians went through the
   concentration camps, from 1918 when Lenin established the first
   such camp in Russia -- until the present day where they still have
   a four million prison population in Russia.

    Sixty million went through the camps, and twenty million did
   not return.  And it was the same situation in Nazi Germany -- with
   their concentration camps.  And it may become a similar situation
   here, if nobody does anything about these dozens of camps that are
   prepared all over the country.  With much more advanced technology.

    I was speaking to the organizers of a conspiracy conference
   in the Wembley Arena -- we went there in January.  And they were
   talking about high-speed incinerators that they were installing in
   the British concentration camps.  People have been talking here
   about guillotines that have been quietly bought and installed in
   camps here, and ready for declaration of an emergency situation -
   suspension of the Constitution.

    Why are we all here?  What is this Preparedness Expo --
   what are we preparing for - the end of the world?  A crashing of a
   comet or what?

    My feeling is that we all are here, citizens against the
   New World Order.  Against the creeping socialism -- even the
   "reeking" socialism -- of the New World Order.

    Actually a lady here said it: "No it is not creeping; it is
   a run-away locomotive that is going to hit America at 100 miles an
   hour!"

    THAT's why we are here: For citizens against the socialism
   of the New World Order.  It would be such a dreadful, awful 
   socialism -- that would make all experiences in Eastern Europe
   before that, literally PALE in comparison.

    All Russians and Eastern Europeans have been badly burned
   by socialism.  So there is no way for the Illuminati to succeed
   with their plans there.  The only country in the world that has not
   been burned by socialism -- is America.   Americans still
   entertain, in their larger society -- entertain hopes -- naiive
   hopes that, under socialism, we can live much better than we lived
   under capitalism. And they are ready material -- to march straight
   into the concentration camps of the New World Order.

    A little talk about conspiracies:  Little Bulgaria, in the
   middle of the Balkan Penninsula -- I realize (in my forty years of
   -- basically I lived thirty years there) that its a total  waste of
   time to study Bulgarian history through the Bulgarian textbooks --
   explaining events in our little country, as if stemmming out of
   local economic, social and political developments.

    This is a total waste of time. Basically, 99% of the Bulgarian
   history was decided from power centers way beyond the boundaries of
   our little country -- from the Imperial capitals of Czarist Russia,
   the Austro-Hungarian Empire, France, Germany, England, and so on.

    On a similar level, if we expand this model to encompass the
   whole world -- very little of the present day happenings on this
   planet are decided by pure political, social or economical
   developments here on the planet.  Basically, we are a little
   cog-wheel in a much grander scheme of celestial management.  

    My feeling is -- in the lectures that I do on Ufology -- I
   started them two years ago in a community center in Santa Monica,
   and soon I will be teaching them with several of the Los Angeles
   universities -- I am of the opinion that there are probably
   billions of populated planets in our galaxy alone.  And many of
   them have banded into federations, into societies, into alliances
   -- and that there is a hierarchial power structure of managment --
   lets call them management structures.  And actually, that there are
   many parallel management structures that peacefully -- or almost
   peacefully co-exist; or sometimes engage in matches of
   arm-wrestling and arm-twisting, and kicking under the table.

    And that a lot of the politics on a little planet like ours --
   I mean, there are 150 billion stars in our galaxy, with probably
   ten times as many planets.  We are really a very little world in
   our galaxy.  A lot of the affairs of our galaxy are decided by much
   higher levels of celestial management.

    And my feeling is that all the secret societies on this planet
   were formed, in the first place, to be the low-key, low-profile
   interface between alien clutures, alien philosophes -- and our own
   terrestrial culture.

    In the documentary films that were recently revealed by the
   German secret society, the Thulegasoschaft [sp? it sounds on the
   tape like "Tool-e-gas-oh-shaft"] and the Tempohafgasoschaft [sp?]
   -- The Tempohafgasoschaft, the THG -- is the German branch of the
   global Knight's Templars.  And they made several fascinating films
   about anti-gravity research and development in the '20s, '30s, and
   '40s in Germany, that culminated in fascinating space programs --
   before the War ended.  I am going to go into detail in a minute on
   them.

    But my feeling is that secret societies have been the conduit,
   and the mastermind, of many extra-terrestrial and extra-planetary
   agendas that we have been following.  And many of these agendas are
   competing agendas -- coming from competing power centers.

    So it is not a strange coincidence that some of the agendas are
   here introduced openly -- they are practiced openly in society, or
   relatively openly -- while others engage in midnight ceremonies in
   invitation-only, extremely secretive societies that are impossible
   to penetrate.

    One of the biggest shocks in my adult learning career was 
   to realize that about a half of the Bulgarian literature figures of
   any value in the Ninteenth Century were Freemasons. So I realized,
   "Why do we waste out time studying literature in school when we can
   study the agenda of Freemasonry and from there understand Bulgarian
   literature a lot quicker and a lot better."

    Ten years down the road, in the refugee camp in Vienna, I was
   reading some information on Russian penetration -- Tsarist Russian
   penetration -- in the 19th and 20th Century Bulgarian cultural
   life. And again I realized that about a third of the famous
   cultural figures on the Bulgarian cultural horizon were paid
   Russian agents... So again I realized that a little country like
   mine is managed on many levels through conspirative webs -- either
   foreign agents, or secret societies.

    And I have used this model to understand the workings of
   present day American society -- and it has helped me a lot.

    So we can safely conclude that behind the secret societies of
   our culture here -- and as a rule of thumb, within every secret
   society, there is another and even more secret society; and at its
   middle, there is another, third, and a fourth, and a fifth level of
   more and more secret societies.  However, there is an interface
   point -- where from there on, there are certain "alien" races that
   interface with secret societies.

    Stan Deyo, in his book, "Cosmic Conspiracy" -- a well esteemed
   aviation writer from Australia, that graduated from the Colorado
   Springs Air Force Academy -- pointed out that Edgar Hoover tried to
   pinpoint the ten members of the Illuminati Politburo.  The
   Illuminati are, in my understanding, a secret organization within
   the highest ranks of Freemasonry.

    They pinpointed eight of the ten-member Politburo; the other
   two were bordering on the paranormal.  They would never enter the
   building; they would never leave the building.  But instead of
   eight, there would be ten people sitting around the table.

    My speculation is that these are either alien beings that beam 
   down and up for the occasion; or -- even rumours that "Lord
   Maitreya" himself sits on some of these meetings. 

    Anyhow, there is a certain cut-off point from where aliens take
   the management of the terrestrial secret societies.

    We did a fascinating video-tape with Al Bielik and Chan Johnson
   from Las Vegas, on the secret societies behind the German Third
   Reich; the aliens behind the secret societies, and the even higher
   levels of celestial management structures, namely the "Shambhalla"
   and the "Agharta" power centers.  These are two factions of the --
   shall I call them, the not-very-standing, little-bit-Fallen angelic
   presences -- independent angelic presence on the planet, as they
   have been revealed in a lot of, but quite rare and very
   hard-to-find metaphysical literature.

    These are multiple layers of universal management or conspiracy
   -- that if we understand them, it is far easier to understand the
   agenda, the everyday agenda, of the New World Order -- that we all
   would have to suffer from.

    Now back to "Illuminated" Technologies:

    How do they finance them?  How do they finance these incredible
   wonders that I will be taking about?  Pentagon military money,
   siphoned from normal projects to hidden projects -- there has been
   a long history of channeling of normal Pentagon defense money. 

    Black project money is another way of funding even more secretive
   stuff.  But the real money for the secret projects comes from the
   drug trade, which I have a feeling that it is the government and
   the Illuminati that are organizing the drug trade, and reaping all
   the profits from it.  

    The real money comes from the printing press.  We all know that
   basically the printing press is the best alchemical machine history
   has ever seen; you put ink and paper on the input, and you get gold
   on the putput.  And everbody believes in that gold.  And there is
   no gold backing it up in Fort Knox, whatsoever.

    So we are talking about billions and trillions, and quadrillions
   of dollars that are pumped into the private projects.  They simply
   turn on the printing press and print the necessary anount of money.

    Where do they build these projects that I will be talking about?
   Bill Cooper was viciously attacked when he came out several years
   ago with his book, "Behold a Pale Horse" -- and among other things,
   he talks extensively about underground city-sized bases, evacuation
   and survival bases -- built all over the United States, connected
   with tube-shuttle, magnetically levitated supersonic trains that
   would cross the country in about two hours, from the east to the
   west;  We are talking about technologies built in the '70s,
   twenty-five years ago. 

    That system here was connected under Alaska with the Russian
   underground system.  I have heard that in South America, in the
   South Pole, the Germans have connected their underground bases
   there with similar magnetically-levitated underground
   tube-shuttles.

    My research in Germany during the time of World War II has
   proved to me -- and I have a big collection of books, videos,
   drawings, sketches and so on -- I discovered that there were about
   300 underground - some of them city-sized - bases in Germany, fifty
   years ago.  Underground munition, aviation, tank-plants, petroleum
   refineries, synthetic fuel plants, rocket plants -- and so on. 
   Some of them were 2 km. long and 1 km. wide -- I am talking about
   fifty years ago in Germany.

    They were boring them, tunneling them with sonic lasers --
   that would pulverize the rock, and then the sand would just be
   hauled away.  They didn't even bother using these giant tunneling
   machines that we find in the secret Rand Corporation Symposium on
   Underground Construction that was going on in the '50s in this
   country here.

    So all of these talks about city-sized underground bases, 
   research complexes and frankensteinian labs are true -- in my
   opinion.  And I have a lot to back my claim.

    What kind of technologies have the Illuminati developed in
   the last 200 years?  Basically everything that we have seen in
   science fiction on television, is the stuff that the Illuminati
   have been busily developing.

    They had a radio in the early 1800s. I have a book of somebody
   making the wrong turn in England and getting into a room where a
   guy was talking audibly-- not a Morse Code radio telegraphy, but
   telephonic radio -- with the United States in the early 1800s.

    The Illuminati did not want to repeat that big screwup that
   happened in the late 18th Century, when a messanger was hit by
   lightning and killed -- and the pouch with extremely secret
   documents ended up in the hands of the Bavarian police, where they
   learned of the impending French Revolution.  But nobody wanted to
   listen to them.

    So, communication-wise, the radio had been in their hands 
   for about two centuries now.

    The "Nautilus" submarine is another story of a super-advanced
   Illuminati research-and-development project.  And so are the
   "Ghost Airships" of the 1860s, 1870s, 1880s and 1890s.  These
   were secret Illuminati projects of aerial navigation -- dirigibles
   with anti-gravity combination, dirigibles with free-energy... 

    I have been doing extensive research in that topic, and 
   recently several materials have come to my attention;  There was a
   secret aeronautical club called "Nimsa" in Sonora, California, that
   had unlimited funding -- which is always the case with these secret
   Illuminati projects.  

    In the 1860s, John Keeley produced the first anti-gravity,
   soundless, noiseless flying platform.  He demonstrated that to the
   War Ministry.  We have very interesting videos and audios on the
   topic: Free-energy train locomotive and tunnel boring machines,
   working with "magic" basically -- with sound waves digging railroad
   tunnels. 

    Tesla was building saucers for the Illuminati in the 1890s and
   early 1900s.  All of the Fortean reports [tell] about lenticular
   craft with people disembarking from them -- speaking in English,
   and dressed in terrestrial clothing in the early 1900s -- and the
   crew wearing standard issue U.S. Navy uniforms. 

    I don't think that these are hallucinatory or schizophrenic
   hoaxes; I think this is exactly what these people saw -- some
   unscheduled landing, or maybe some little mishap or something
   of these craft...

            ---(end of Part I)---  

    to be comtinued ...
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Subject:       Terziski Lecture #1 - Part 2




        The following is the first of two lectures given by 
        Engineer and Physicist VLADIMIR TERZISKI -- speaking at 
        the Seattle Preparedness Expo in September of 1993.  
                Transcribed for research purposes only.
        _____________________________________________________         
         


                    VLADIMIR TERZISKI -- Lecture #1 

     SECRET ILLUMINATI SCIENCE - 150 YEARS OF RESEARCH IN ANTIGRAVITY

                           --- (Part 2) --- 


        There have been Moon landings way before the Germans landed
   on the Moon in the middle of the Second World War.  I have a big
   suspicion -- and I have been investigating a story that actually
   the British Illuminati landed on the Moon in the 1890s with a
   hyper-technology that included rocket power, giant gun propulsion,
   anti-gravity lift and also some very interesting anti-gravity
   centrifuges that were holding the crew, so as to eliminate the
   monstrous g-force at blast off, when people would be crushed like
   parchment paper on the cabin floor -- if it was just a normal
   shooting through the cannon barrel.  And these were not canons made
   of metal, but these were vertical shafts drilled in solid rock
   formation.

        Recent documentation that I got from a secret Russian research
   and development institute on anti-gravity, proves the feasibility
   -- the engineering and the physical feasibility -- that you can
   have a human being shot in a giant cannon, and you can make that
   being withstand the g-force, actually eliminate totally the
   g-forces by creating a very small anti-gravity centrifuge inside
   the shell, and putting the crew members inside there.

        The Russian cosmonauts are using similar devices -- much
        smaller
   black boxes -- under the seat, that make 90% of the g-force
   disappear.

        However, I entered into all of these things through my passion
        
   for flying contraptions -- as an engineer and physicist I had a
   little dream to discover how anti-gravity works.  In my videos and
   articles I have extensively treated the topic.  And in my upcoming
   book, which will be titled, "My Discovery of Anti-gravity through
   the Anthropology of Myth Approach" -- I was amazed to discover that
   all of these myths, some of them thousands of years old, were
   actually depicting working, feasible engineering -- from the
   physics standpoint -- anti-gravity drives.

        And from my study of anti-gravity drives, then I entered into
   German anti-gravity research and development; and from there,
   straight into the German secret societies, and these organizations
   that were behind that research. 

        A fascinating documentary that was released just two months
   ago, by the German secret society -- the Tempohofgasoschaft (sp) --
   the German branch of the Knight's Templars -- reveals quite a bit
   of the secret occult nature of the Third Reich.  In 1911 the
   Tempohof Society established the Thule and Vril Societies. A few
   years later, they established the Nazi Party and the SS -- which
   launched the whole experiment of Naziism in the German Third Reich.

        Later on, they established the Black Sun organization -- which
   is a secret society WITHIN the secret society of the SS -- to carry
   [out] the most advanced projects that I will be talking about.

        In a similar vein, many conspiracy theorists have claimed that
        
   there are many layers of secret societies within secret societies
   within the American CIA, in the American Military, in the Russian
   KGB, and so on.  The pattern is the same all over the world.
   Watching the German film, we realized how secret societies work
   behind the scenes in this country, and vice versa.

        The Germans developed from the early 1920s more than fifty
   different models of anti-gravity craft that I was able to gather
   information on, drawings, sketches, and so on.  With conventional
   engines.  I have drawings of piston-engine-powered anti-gravity
   craft; basically you can build your own saucer with a simple car
   engine.

        They had models with turbo-jet engines -- standard issue
        turbo-
   jet engines used for their Messerschmidt 262 -- the first
   operational fighter plane.  These engines were used to power
   turbo-jet saucers.

        Simple spinning creates anti-gravity.  There is no magical
   wonder to that.  And recent Illuminati "revelations" of the Bob
   Lazar type -- that one needs the Element 115 in order to obtain
   anti- gravity, and one needs a lot of alien hyper-advanced
   technology is all a very clever smokescreen.

        Any rotation of any physical object would reduce its weight; 
   and if you spin the hell out of it, it would lose weight and lift
   off and disappear.

        So basically, you can couple any existing engine to a spinning
   lenticular frame and put a cabin in the middle -- and have your own
   saucer.  And I have a big collection of engineering - successful
   devices.  Either models, or flying devices that were tested in the
   '50s, '60s, and '70s -- but never made it into the mainstream
   literature.

        The most advanced craft that the Germans developed were -- 
   actually there is another family of rocket-engine-powered saucers
   that were exo-atmospheric -- they could go into orbit in minutes;
   The bigger models could go to the Moon and back in about two hours,
   three hours -- on a truckload of liquid oxygen and a truckload of
   kerosene.

        The whole Apollo program was a giant hoax and a smokescreen --
   to slow down the world's research, and to prove to every developing
   nation that, "Now you cannot make it on your own -- because you
   need 30 - 300 billion dollars, and you need about 300,000 elite
   American engineers to take you to the Moon."  

        Not true!  The Germans could build a craft a little bit bigger
   than your living room, fill it with standard aviation or rocket
   fuel, and go to the Moon and back in about two hours.

        The most advanced designs that the Germans built were based on
   free-energy, especially the Hans-Koeler Converter of free-energy --
   which has no moving parts, and is very easy to build at home,
   because you do not need expensive machining parts which would cost
   a lot.  These are basically magnets and coils, in a particular
   geometry, that would create electricity on it's own.  Giant
   converters of this type were powering the football-field sized
   "dreadnoughts" -- free-energy dreadnoughts that took the Germans to
   the Moon, Mars, and beyond -- according to the documentary films
   that I will be talking about.

        The Germans had a Moon base established before the War ended
        --
   and, by the way, in the films -- I will be showing extensive parts
   of these films and a slide presentation -- the best of the more
   than 600 slides that I have on the topic of German anti--gravity
   research and development; photographs, drawings, and detailed
   explanations of how these craft were made. 

        There is atmosphere on the Moon.  There is water and
        vegetation
   on the Moon, and basically everything NASA told us about the Moon
   is a lie.  I will be showing a slide of a giant lake on the Moon --
   a color slide -- as proof of the wild rumors that I heard by a
   leading journalist in this country... 

        But I found a big-sized photograph of a lake on the Moon -- 
   color photo. The air is so transparent, you could see the craters
   through the water on the bottom of that lake.  It is fascinating. I
   have discovered photographs of vegetation on the Moon -- green in
   spring and summer, and reddish in autumn; basically, sparse
   Arizona-desert-type vegetation, and so on. 

        In these German documentary films, the Germans even claim
   that they were successful in doing time-travel saucer flights
   back to our past -- and they went 400 years back in time.

        Interesting, actually -- interestingly enough, John Searl in
   the 1970s in England started building a free-energy device, the
   Searl Energy Converter -- and later figured out that it can be used
   for levitation, for anti-gravity.  So did Chauberger (sp) in the
   1940s and '50s -- he started working with his water turbines and
   discovered that they would induce levitation -- they would have a
   strong anti-gravity effect on top of producing free-energy.

        The Germans took a different route, and started working on
   a gyroscopic time-machine -- all of this with alien technology, of
   course.  But then later, they realized that this time-machine could
   also levitate, and be used as an anti-gravity drive.

        I will show some photographs, very quickly -- of the most
   advanced models that the Germans had.  I have been called a crazy,
   "nazi" saucer-nut for believing several years ago that these
   drawings had more to them -- that these were not fiction but were
   actual models.

        [photo] This is a twelve-engine [maybe he meant 12-cylinder?] 
   BMW engines that were used for the Messerschmidt twin-engine
   turbo-jet fighter, that were used for this [saucer] craft.  This is
   a [?intelligible -the word sounds like "Belontformetoscheber"]
   craft -- but a drawing is a drawing, and a photograph is worth a
   thousand words -- we have a proverb in Europe over there.

        [photo] Now, this is the Vril series of aerial intercepter 
   fighters of about 30-feet diameter [saucer] -- single seater,
   aerial intercepter fighter.  2900 km -- 3 times the speed of sound
   in the atmosphere. It had ex-atmospheric, orbital and maybe even
   Moon-going capabilities. It was running on a gravity-energy
   converter -- not a single drop of fuel.

        [photo] Low-level photographs over the German testing grounds.
        In 
   this photo here, this is the autumn of 1944 -- spring of 1945. 
   Some of these models were much earlier; in the films that I will be
   showing in my seminars -- they had the first crude anti-gravity
   free-energy design in 1934, a year after Hitler came to power.

        [photo] This is a high-banking maneuver; the pilot keeps his
        head
   his head straight, visbile through the transparent perspecs
   cuplola; and upon closer observation, one can see these two black
   dots here that are probably the sunglasses of the pilot.  I mean,
   this is a stratospheric craft, and there is a lot of sun up there
   -- so you definitely need sunglasses.

        [photo] These are close-up photographs of these low-level
        flights 
   over the testing ground.  The runic sign for the life-force, which
   is called the "vril" -- and the name of the word vril also means
   the life-force; and the name of the craft is Vril, and the name of
   the society is Vril.  So basically, this was a secret society, a
   secret scientific society, whose goal was the harnessing of the
   elemental forces in nature.

        [photo] And this is probably the second prototype of this
        craft.  
   They went to "Vril 17".  They had quite a quite extensive program.
   These were the first and most crude designs that they had.

        [photo] Later on, they built much bigger -- these are a
   tank-killer type, 75 feet diameter saucer-shaped craft.  Three
   stories tall in the middle, with about 100 tons in weight.  They
   did not have, by the time the war ended, working operational
   force-field shields around this craft -- so they had to rely on
   brute thick armor.  So that is why these were very heavy.  But the
   anti-gravity engines were so powerful, they could lift 100 tons --
   which is a good steam locomotive -- in orbit without a problem.

        And we see standard-issue tank turrets on the underside of the
   craft.  This was a free-energy craft, but not a free ammunition
   craft -- so they had to land and reload.  They did not have, as
   they developed later -- and I will show a photograph here, of their
   first free-energy beam weapon.

        [photo] This is an even better photograph, and here we see
        clearly
   the Panther tank turret, with three mini-turrets and a gun pointing
   in this direction -- this is a blow-up. [photo] This is a Tiger
   tank turret, with a  75mm x 70 calibers - is the length of the gun
   -- the best tank guns developed at the end of the Second World War.

        According to Renato Vesco, the Italian Werner Von Braun -- who
   wrote the book "Intercept But Don't Shoot" [aka "Intercept UFO" (p)
   Zebra Books, New York, 1974] -- all of these craft were tested on
   in limited number -- low profile testing on the European battle
   theatre -- and then everything was packed, crated and shipped with
   their giant submarines to their South Polar colony.

        In the seminar I will go in great detail about the South Polar
   German colony, and what they have been doing there. 

        [photo] This is a standard issue Tiger tank turret [on a
   saucer] -- one of the best photographs. And it resembles very much
   the Billy Meier photo with the sun behind the cabin here.  As a
   physicist I can give you a two-hour lecture on the physics of this
   photograph.  And the physical phenomena that we see around the
   craft; and the optical blurring due to the extremely intensive
   gravitational field around the craft -- but simply there is no time
   for that here.

        [photo] They also developed cigar shaped mother ships, [...end
   of side one on the tape. don't know if there was anything missing
   here on the tape or not as side 2 begins...] but the only naval-
   warfare craft that they built -- this is a Hannibal III type craft,
   74 metres diameter -- about 300 feet diameter -- football field-
   sized craft.  Ten story tall on the center axis, with giant naval
   triple-gun naval turrets -- one, two, three turrets on the
   underbelly, and a fourth turret on the top.

        In the documentary film, they claim that they took this craft
   on a desperate kamikaze flight -- no return flight to Mars -- in
   April 1945 -- a month before the war ended in Germany.  A volunteer
   crew of Germans and Japanese.  They knew that there would not be
   any return flight, because the alloys that they were using were so
   primitive at the time -- the extensive electromagnetic-gravitic
   field, due to it's interaction with the electrons of metals, would
   weaken the metallic bond and cause excessive fatigue of the metal.

        So they landed on Mars with their drives almost cracking open;
   they couldn't crank them to the maximim power, so they crash-
   landed, damaged the drives, but the crew survived.  Then they sent
   a message to their South Polar colony that -- actually the flight
   was so successful that they landed in the middle of January 1946,
   after eight months of heavy flight.

        [photo] This is a much slimmer model, with three turrets that
   look more like the Medimach (sp?) turrets than a tank turret --
   these are beam-weapon turrets.  The Germans developed a Donar (sp?)
   Ray Gun, the "thundercannon" -- which is a free-energy
   electromagnetic laser weapon that could drill holes in 4-inch steel
   plate -- before the war ended.

        So I have a feeling that this is a craft that was built in
   the 1950s or '60s from the German South Polar colony on the South
   Pole -- basically it's more of an Illuminati colony than a German
   colony there.  And these craft and many others have been used
   extensively in the abduction scenarios that have been played out in
   this country.

        So, I was amazed myself, starting with two flimsy tabloid
   reports of German anti-gravity craft -- in just two years, to
   discover this extensive information..  I will be publishing several
   books on the topic; I have published many journal articles in
   journals on three continents; and this is probably the topic that
   everyone wants to hear most -- the anti-gravity research and
   development, and the EASINESS of obtaining anti- gravity and even
   free-energy anti-gravity.

        BUT, space flights with anti-gravity are not the hottest
   issue. In the German documentary films, the second part of it --
   also the Germans claim that they were able to send one ship of
   these -- probably the Hannibal type craft -- through a warp-type
   tunnel through time and space, to the Aldebaran star system, on
   whose two planets exist a Sumerian (?) race.  The Aldebaranians
   were one of the alien races that were secretly helping Hitler and
   the Third Reich.

        And through this revelatory film of the Tempohafgasoschaft,
   the German secret society -- it is very interesting that for the
   first time, anybody officially would admit that a lot of the
   dealings of our planet come from levels much higher than our globe.
   

        So they were able to send one of these crafts through a 
   warp-speed flight to the Aldebaran star system, which is 68 
   light-years away.  And they arrived there in literally minutes.

        Now, spaceflight with anti-gravity saucer-type craft is not
   the highest Illuminati achievement in inter-planetary
   teleportation. I do believe that everything that Al Bielik has been
   talking about -- of the development of teleportation from the 1930s
   unto the '50s, when they had it already finished -- is true, and
   that the government has technology of teleporting somebody from an
   orbiting, or hanging up saucer, to the surface -- the "Beam me down
   Scotty routine."

        Not only that, but they have perfected that to the point
   where they are doing inter-planetary teleportation.  And even that
   is not the highest level of space travel.  This is the second-
   generation of space travel -- the teleportation is the second
   generation after the saucers.  

        The third generation, and the most advanced one, is the
   time-tunneling -- which is described in the Montauk Project books,
   the first and the second books in the series.   And Al Bielik and
   Preston Nichols have been talking extensively about the time-
   tunneling, which is a worm-hole warp - how shall I call it - a
   tunneling effect through hyper-space between two points in our
   Galaxy, or anywhere in our Universe.

        And it gives the government a transportation capability in
   real-time, to send anyone or any piece of military hardware to any
   point in the Universe.  It all was done through extensive help and
   alien cooperation.  My feeling is that these are massive research
   and development efforts; undertaken by these huge alien
   federations. And in the same way that we test new drugs in Third
   World countries, a lot of alien races test new and dangerous
   technologies on Third World Planets. 

        Why are they going to rip the fabric of their space-time
   continuum  with half-baked and under-baked "Philadephia" 
   technology, when they can do that on our planet -- and have fun in
   the process.


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  Subj: Antigrav followup
ÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄ
11-Sept-1996 More info on gravity shielding - The Journal of Ideas Issue

The Journal of Ideas - Ideas to improve the quality of life - 
free magazine, Issue 4, Article title: 11-Sept-1996 
More info on gravity shielding

author: John Alexander

11-Sept-1996 More info on gravity shielding

By Staff Writer - 11/09/1996
Category: Physics
Article Number 193

Here is some more info on Gravity Shielding:

The following e-mail kindly sent by Dr. Modanese is in response to my
"Force-Field Implications of Anti-Gravity" article, which would appear
to be (at least partially) inaccurate.

Subject:
Date: Tue, 10 Sep 1996 22:31:56 +0200 (MET DST)
From: Modanese Giovanni 
To: joi@ozemail.com.au

Dear Dr. Alexander,

Thank you for sending me the file with your considerations. I think that
you should keep your calculations for later use, because it is too early
to draw conclusions now. First of all, the "expulsive" force which has
been observed by Podkletnov up to now is very weak, and it has been
noticed only occasionally. Moreover, although general arguments of energy
conservation indicate that there should be such a force its strengh is
actually unknown since you do not know whether the field is conservative.
Presumably it is not.
It will take some time for the apparatus to shield an object which you
put over the disk. It is not the case "motion of a body in an external
field". There is an interaction between the two.

Sincerely

G. Modanese

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Subject: Tampere Gravity Shielding Experiment
Date: Wed, 11 Sep 1996 11:03:01 +1000
From: James Newton-Thomas 
To: sarfatti@well.com
CC: 

References:
1 , 2

Hi Dr S...

You seem to be conduiting information on this.  Here is some more.

Dr Podkletnov is no longer at Tampere but he is in Finland.  I have
faxed him asking for a pre-print but nothing has arrived as yet.

We know some pre-prints are circulating as the 1995-1996 experiments
have been commented on in various other papers.  Most notably by
Modanese Giovanni from Max Plank Institute who tries to bring
them in under the umbrella of Quantum Gravity. (See link below)

I have not ascertained whether Podkletnov et al has answered the
objection raised by Podesta & Bull Physica C 253 (1995) 199-200.

However, there is some independent yet specifically co-oborating
theoretical work at the University of Alabama.  This group is
doing work for NASA as well as now investigating the Tampere results.
It seems they have been predicting such an effect albeit smaller.

(See papers in links)

One of the better links describing papers about it and about is:

http://www.padrak.com/ine/RS_REF2.html

and the snippet from the University of Alabama at:

http://isl-garnet.uah.edu/RR93/uahmatsci.html#gravity

James

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Subject: Re: [Fwd: Tampere Gravity Shielding Experiment]
Date: Tue, 10 Sep 1996 19:16:51 -0700
From: Jack Sarfatti 
Organization: Internet Science Education Project
To: Jack Sarfatti 
CC: 

Newsgroups: sci.physics, alt.sci.physics.new-theories, sci.skeptic, sci.space
References: 1

I was directed to this

"Can gravity be 'made' in the laboratory?

A theory that might lead to the creation of measurable
manmade gravitational fields has been developed by
physicists at UAH.

If the theoretical work is borne out in the laboratory,
it will prove that physicist Albert Einstein was
correct in predicting that moving matter generates
two kinds of gravitational fields: gravito-magnetic and
gravito-electric. The 'artificial' gravitational field
would be generated inside a container made of a
superconducting material, said Dr. Douglas Torr,
a research professor of physics and director of UAH's Optical
Aeronomy Laboratory. "I think we can at the very least
generate a microscopic field ..." If Einstein was right,
the amount of gravito-magnetic energy produced by an
object is proportional to its mass and its movement,
explained Dr. Ning Li, a research scientist in UAH's
Center for Space Plasma and Aeronomic Research. To create
the artificial gravitational fields, Torr and Li propose
placing a superconducting container in a magnetic
field to align ions that are spinning or rotating in tiny
circles inside the superconducting material. Their
theory predicts the existence of ionic spin or rotation in
a superconductor in a magnetic field."

It is well known that the classical post-Newtonian corrections
of GR have a Maxwell kind of character. But that
effect should be really small in the lab -- not as big as what
is claimed experimentally. Of course
superconductors have nonclassical giant wave functions and that
has to be taken into account. Crowell using the
Bohm pilot-wave/beable theory in the relativistic limit has
shown that the pilot wave does distort the
classical metric of the hidden variable or beable particle.
So the question is, is this quantum distortion
effect big enough for a superconductor to account for the
large size of the claim???? I would be surprised if
it was. But I do not know right now. I did speculate about
such a thing several weeks before I heard of these
claims. I did get the idea of a rotating superconductor
generating lift when I first read Crowell's paper on
"hidden time".  But, to repeat, I have not yet checked
this intuition with an actual calculation. Feel free to
try anyone out there and let me know.
--
Jack Sarfatti, sarfatti@well.com,
http://www.well.com/user/sarfatti/index.html
"Perhaps I did use such a philosophy earlier,
and even wrote it, but it is nonsense all the same."
Einstein on Bohr's positivism to Heisenberg in 1926.


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  Subj: Antigravity 1/2
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 MP> In a message dated 09-09-96 08:26 James Keller writes:
 
 JK>     Well, with this recent news about the Finnish superconductor team
 JK> stumbling on a configuration that creates "anti-gravity"

 MP> Do you have any additional material on this Finnish project? 

This is from Richard Hoagland's web site at www.enterprisemission.com:

----------------------------------------------------------------------

The Enterprise Mission - Anti-Gravity

The Enterprise Mission

Anti-gravity' device gives science a lift
By Robert Matthews and Ian Sample
Sept 1 edition of Electronic Telegraph

SCIENTISTS in Finland are about to reveal details of the world's first
anti-gravity device. Measuring about 12in across, the device is said to
reduce significantly the weight of anything suspended over it.

The claim - which has been rigorously examined by scientists, and is due
to appear in a physics journal next month - could spark a technological
revolution. By combating gravity, the most ubiquitous force in the
universe, everything from transport to power generation could be
transformed.

anti-g.gif "Diagram of Device"

The Sunday Telegraph has learned that Nasa, the American space agency, is
taking the claims seriously, and is funding research into how the
anti-gravity effect could be turned into a means of flight.

The researchers at the Tampere University of Technology in Finland, who
discovered the effect, say it could form the heart of a new power source,
in which it is used to drive fluids past electricity-generating turbines.

Other uses seem limited only by the imagination:

Lifts in buildings could be replaced by devices built into the ground.
People wanting to go up would simply activate the anti-gravity device -
making themselves weightless - and with a gentle push ascend to the floor
they want.

Space-travel would become routine, as all the expense and danger of
rocket technology is geared towards combatting the Earth's gravitation
pull.

By using the devices to raise fluids against gravity, and then
conventional gravity to pull them back to earth against
electricity-generating turbines, the devices could also revolutionise
power generation.

According to Dr Eugene Podkletnov, who led the research, the discovery
was accidental. It emerged during routine work on so-called
"superconductivity", the ability of some materials to lose their
electrical resistance at very low temperatures. The team was carrying out
tests on a rapidly spinning disc of superconducting ceramic suspended in
the magnetic field of three electric coils, all enclosed in a
low-temperature vessel called a cryostat.

"One of my friends came in and he was smoking his pipe," Dr Podkletnov
said. "He put some smoke over the cryostat and we saw that the smoke was
going to the ceiling all the time. It was amazing - we couldn't explain
it."

Tests showed a small drop in the weight of objects placed over the
device, as if it were shielding the object from the effects of gravity -
an effect deemed impossible by most scientists.

"We thought it might be a mistake," Dr Podkletnov said, "but we have
taken every precaution". Yet the bizarre effects persisted. The team
found that even the air pressure vertically above the device dropped
slightly, with the effect detectable directly above the device on every
floor of the laboratory.

In recent years, many so-called "anti-gravity" devices have been put
forward by both amateur and professional scientists, and all have been
scorned by the establishment. What makes this latest claim different is
that it has survived intense scrutiny by sceptical, independent experts,
and has been accepted for publication by the Journal of Physics-D:
Applied Physics, published by Britain's Institute of Physics.

Even so, most scientists will not feel comfortable with the idea of
anti-gravity until other teams repeat the experiments. Some scientists
suspect the anti-gravity effect is a long-sought side-effect of
Einstein's general theory of relativity, by which spinning objects can
distort gravity. Until now it was thought the effect would be far too
small to measure in the laboratory.

However, Dr Ning Li, a senior research scientist at the University of
Alabama, said that the atoms inside superconductors may magnify the
effect enormously. Her research is funded by Nasa's Marshall Space Flight
Centre at Huntsville, Alabama, and Whitt Brantley, the chief of Advanced
Concepts Office there, said: "We're taking a look at it, because if we
don't, we'll never know."

The Finnish team is already expanding its programme, to see if it can
amplify the anti-gravity effect. In its latest experiments, the team has
measured a two per cent drop in the weight of objects suspended over the
device - and double that if one device is suspended over another. If the
team can increase the effect substantially, the commercial implications
are enormous.


Follow-Up Investigative Conversations
By Robert Matthews,
Science Correspondent, The Sunday Telegraph

What follows is a summary of my conversations on Friday 6/9/96 with the various
parties involved in the anti-gravity claims, on which Ian Sample and I reported
in the Sunday Telegraph on 1/9/96. It's rather terse, but it's been a long
day.....

1. Following the posting of the statement from Prof Tuomo Tiainen of Tampere U
Inst of Materials Science disclaiming any knowledge or involvement in the
anti-gravity research, I contacted the Institute of Physics in London and the
offices of J Phys D in IoP Publishing in Bristol to find out their reaction.
Neither were aware of any problems about the paper, scheduled to appear in the
October issue of the journal, and were taken aback by the reaction of Tampere.
Richard Palmer, Managing Editor of J Phys D said he would investigate matters
further (of which more below)

2. Following the statement by Petri Vuorinen, whose name appears on the paper
as
co-author, disclaiming any involvement, I faxed a set of questions to Dr Eugene
Podkletnov (lead author) asking for an explanation. While waiting for a
response
of the paper, I contacted PV, whose immediate reaction was to insist that I
talk
to Prof Tiainen, who was apparently fielding all inquiries. However, PV did say
that he had worked with EP some years ago, but had no idea why his name had
appeared on the paper as co-author on this latest paper. He was anxious to
distance himself from the research.

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3. EP then responded to my fax by telephone. He said that the denial of any
(recent) involvement by Tampere stemmed from the fact that (a) the key
experiments were indeed done some years ago, in 1992; (b) that Prof Tiainen has
only been director of the Institute for four months, and was not in a position
to know about the experiments before then. EP insisted that the results stated
in the forthcoming paper are reliable and genuine, and that Tampere has full
knowledge, with a (Finnish?)  patent being applied for in its name. (I wasn't
able to confirm this latter point in the time available).
On the matter of PV's denial of all involvement in the paper, and
mystification of his involvement, EP insisted that there must have been some
mix-up over names at Tampere, and that there must be a second Petri Vuorinen
working on superconductivity at the Institute, and that the one involved in
anti-gravity was now working in Japan. When challenged on the sheer
implausibility of this, EP said that the name was a common one in Finland.
He finished by saying that he did not want to cause any trouble with Tampere,
with which he appears to still have some relationship (Tampere's statement says
he no longer works there; however, one researcher said he had seen EP visiting
the Institute last week; the discrepancy may revolve on the question of
full-time salaried staff and others like EP who appear to be on more informal
arrangements - see below).

4. I went back to PV, putting to him EP's claim that there must be two
researchers with the same name. PV said there are only about 60 people in the
Institute, and that he was sure he would know if there was another researcher
with the same name there. He added that he had indeed been in Japan - three
years ago. He ended by saying that he hoped the controversy did not damage
relationships between Finnish institutes and the British academic journals.
Later I discovered that there is indeed another PV - Petri Vuoristo - at the
Institute, but he denied all involvement in the research too.

5. Prof Tiainen responded to a call placed AM, and began by repeating the
original statement denying any involvement - except some years ago - in
anti-gravity research. He re-iterated that he did not have any views on whether
the claims being made in the forthcoming JPhysD were valid or not (he said he
was not qualified to do so). He added, however, that "We don't want to get the
credit for the result if it is good or bad". He said that EP had done good work
at Tampere on thin films and S/conductivity, and that EP still came into the
university, but had no official position.TT said:  "I was completely surprised
when I learnt these things were going on". He finished by saying that "If this
turns out bad" he would consider banning EP from the Institute. He said that
there had been claims that part of the work was funded by the Finnish military,
but denied that this was the case.

6. I then contacted the editorial offices of JPhys D again, and was told by
Richard Palmer, managing editor, that he had been contacted by TT. In the light
of the conversation, RP said he and his staff were looking at the paper again,
and had not ruled out the possibility of holding the paper out of the journal
until  EP had been contacted for clarification of various issues. Among these
was the fact that documents relating to the paper's publication carry the
signature of  PV - who denies involvement in the research.

7. Despite repeated requests, the IoP head office did not issue a position
statement during the day.

8. MONDAY 9 September: Dr Podkletnov has today contacted the IoP editorial
offices, and requested that his paper be withdrawn from publication in JPhysD
next month. His request has been accepted, and the IoP is taking no further
action on this matter.

Robert Matthews, 
Science Correspondent, The Sunday Telegraph The Enterprise Mission 122 Dodd St Weehawken NJ 07087 FAX (201) 271-1703 --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Well, it seems that there's a cover-up already well in-progress here. It would appear that the British newspaper report on this, from just last month, has driven Dr. Podkletnov into hiding. He has also withdrawn his most recent technical paper on the subject. He is not taking phone calls, and even prior colleagues are saying they don't know him. The cover-up actually started earlier. I was aware of this discovery in February of this year, through a friend of mine. At that time, I did a search of the Tampere University website, and there was not one word about this fascinating discovery. Back in February, I heard word that the University was negotiating the receiving of further experimental funding from a large private industrial firm, possibly Japanese. NASA scientists also interviewed Dr. Giovanni Modanese, who has also written a couple of papers on the discovery. Following that, reportedly, NASA refused to discuss any of their findings with Dr. Modanese. There are reports that NASA is actively pursuing this, at their research facility in Huntsville, AL. There is word from a "consultant" working with NASA in Huntsville. This consultant did not want his name revealed, and did not want to be connected with either the Tampere researchers or NASA. This "consultant" did what he could to discourage my friend from taking any further interest in the Tampere discovery, including any attempts at replicating the experiment. This consultant told my friend, "it's a very complex and difficult experiment." Nothing could be further from the truth. As Hoagland said on Art Bell's radio program Friday night, it is and incredibly EASY experiment to do. I think Hoagland may have oversimplified that statement slightly, you do need to handle cryogenic fluids, such as liquid nitrogen, but that is about the most dangerous part (don't get any on your fingers!). The experiment is very straightforward, though. I will post more details soon. But bacically it is a disk of yttrium-barium-cuperate, a superconductor (available at Edmund Scientific for about $22) floating over an electromagnetic coil. This is the classic Meissner Effect, and is part of most every physics class curriculum. The researchers in Finland discovered that a small weight suspended over the levitating, superconducting disk would lose about 0.05% of its weight. Further, when the superconducting disk is spun, the weight loss increased, up to about 0.3% at around 3500 rpm. The scientists used a set of coils, not unlike those from a conventional AC electric motor, to cause the disk to spin. This might be the most difficult part of the experiment to do, as it requires some electrical/electronic knowledge. I did notice Hoagland sort of gloss over this fact when he was encouraging all the listeners out there to try the experiment. There's definately an effort out there to cover this up. Hoagland is right, we must not let this happen. Almost certainly, the government is far ahead of this simple experiment. What they don't want to happen now is for other private researchers to get as far as they have, eventually ending up with antigravitational propulsion and mass cancellation. Along those lines, Hoagland said that some experiments since the original 1992 one in Tampere, Finland have combined several stacked superconducting disks, and the result has been a multiplication of the effect. The exact results of those experiments, however, are not known. Regards, Chris ... Catch the Blue Wave! -!- ProBoard v2.15 [Reg] ! 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ÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄ Msg#: 372 Date: 09-16-96 04:02 From: Chris Terraneau Read: Yes Replied: No To: All Mark: Subj: Modanese paper 1/2 ÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄ Anti-Gravity - Modanese Paper on Podkletnov Experiment - The Journal of Ideas Issue The Journal of Ideas - Ideas to improve the quality of life - free magazine, Issue 4, Article title: Anti-Gravity - Modanese Paper on Podkletnov Experiment author: John Alexander Anti-Gravity - Modanese Paper on Podkletnov Experiment By Staff Writer - 05/09/1996 Updating the Theoretical Analysis of the LARGE Weak Gravitational Shielding Experiment Giovanni Modanese e-mail: modanese@science.unitn.it I.N.F.N. -- Gruppo Collegato di Trento Dipartimento di Fisica dell'Universita' I-38050 POVO (TN) - Italy abstract The most recent data about the weak gravitational shielding produced recently through a levitating and rotating HTC superconducting disk show a very weak dependence of the shielding value ($\sim 1 \%$) on the height above the disk. We show that whilst this behaviour is incompatible with an intuitive vectorial picture of the shielding, it is consistently explained by our theoretical model. The expulsive force observed at the border of the shielded zone is due to energy conservation. High-$T_c$ cuprates. Quantum gravity. The measurements of Podkletnov et al.\ of a possible weak gravitational shielding effect have been repeated several times and under different conditions by that group, with good reproducibility, including results in the vacuum. In the forthcoming months other groups will hopefully be able to confirm the effect independently. While the Tampere group was mainly concerned with obtaining larger values for the shielding, studying its dependence on numerous experimental parameters and testing new materials for the disk, in the future measurements it will be important to obtain more exact data, including detailed spatial field maps. The theoretical model suggested by us is still evolving, although at a fundamental level; a more detailed account appears elsewhere. Let us recall in short the main features of the experiment. A HTC superconducting disk or toroid with diameter between 15 and 30 cm, made of YBa_2 Cu_3 O_{7-x}, is refrigerated by liquid helium in a stainless steel cryostat at a temperature below 70 K. The microscopic structure of the material, which plays an important role in determining the levitation properties and the amount of the effect, is described in details in the cited works. The disk levitates above an electromagnet and rotates by the action of lateral alternating e.m. fields. Samples of different weight and composition are placed over the disk, at a distance which can vary from a few cm to 1 m or more (see below). A weight reduction of about 0.05% is observed when the disk is levitating but not rotating; the weight loss reaches values about 0.5% when the disk rotates at a frequency of 5000 rpm. If at this point the rotating fields are switched off, the sample weight remains decreased till the rotation frequency of the disk decreases. On the other hand, if the rotation frequency is decreased from 5000 to 3500 rpm using the solenoids as breaking tools, the shielding effect reaches maximum values from 1.9 to 2.1%, depending on the position of the sample with respect to the outer edge of the disk. This effect, if confirmed, would represent a very new and spectacular phenomenon in gravity; namely, as well known, there has never been observed any conventional gravitational shielding up till now, up to an accuracy of one part in 10^10, and General Relativity and perturbative Quantum Gravity exclude any measurable shielding. Our temptative theoretical explanation is based on some properties of non-perturbative quantum gravity. We have shown that the density field |\phi_^2 of the Cooper pairs inside the superconductor or, more likely, the squared gradient (\partial_\mu \phi_0)^* phi_0) may act as localized positive contributions to the small negative effective gravitational cosmological constant \Lambda; if the sum turns out to be positive in a certain four-dimensional region, a local gravitational singularity arises there, affecting the gravitational propagators and thus the interaction potential (between the Earth and the samples, in this case). To sketch our model -- although not rigorously -- we could say that there is an "anomalous coupling" between the mentioned density phi_0^2 or the squared gradient mu \phi_0^* mu \phi_0 and the gravitational field, and that the net result is to partly "absorb" the field. We expect that only in some regions of the superconductor the density phi_0^2 or the squared gradient will be strong enough and that the inhomogeneities of the material and the pinning centers will be crucial in determining such regions. Since the gravitational field is attractive, its "absorption" requires energy from the outside. This means that there must be some mechanism external to the disk which it forces phi_0^2 or mu \phi_0^* mu phi_0 to take high values. This is caused in the experiment by the action of the external electromagnetic field and by the disk rotation. The dependence of the shielding effect on the height, at which the samples are placed above the superconducting disk, has been recently measured up to a height of 3 m. No difference in the shielding value has been noted, with a precision of one part in 10^3. It is also remarkable that during the measurement at 3 m height the sample was placed in the room which lies above the main laboratory, on the next floor; in this way the effect of air flows on the measurements was greatly reduced. For the used 500 g sample the weight loss was ca. 2.5 g. Such an extremely weak height dependence of the shielding is in sharp contrast with the intuitive picture, according to which the gravitational field of the Earth is the vectorial sum of the fields produced by each single "portion" of Earth. In the absence of any shielding, the sum results in a field which is equivalent to the field of a pointlike mass placed in the center of the Earth; this can be checked elementarily by direct integration or invoking Gauss' theorem and the spherical symmetry. But if we admit that the superconducting disk produces a weak shielding, the part of the Earth which is shielded lies behind the projection of the disk as seen from the sample, i.e., within an angle theta about the vertical direction, such that tan theta = h, where h is the sample height over the disk measured in units of the disk radius. (For simplicity we suppose now the sample to be centered above the disk.) (continued in next message) ... Catch the Blue Wave! -!- ProBoard v2.15 [Reg] ! Origin: Zooming in San Diego, 619-277-4140 (1:202/746) Ä Area: UFO's, Science, Contact (NO ridicule allowed!) ÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄ Msg#: 373 Date: 09-16-96 04:02 From: Chris Terraneau Read: Yes Replied: No To: All Mark: Subj: Modanese paper 2/2 ÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄ (continued from last message) In order to obtain the shielding effect as a function of h, taking into account this geometrical factor, one must integrate the Newtonian contribution cos phi R^2 over the intersection between the Earth and the cone defined by phi < theta. We have done this for the values h=1,2,3,4,6,8,10, through a Montecarlo algorithm. We took into account the higher density of the Earth's core rho_core \sim 2 \rho_mantle; $r_{core} \sim (1/2) r_Earth; it is straightforward to insert more accurate values, but the final results change very little); we also computed analytically the contribution of the tip of the cone, from the Earth's surface to the Earth's core, in order to reduce the fluctuations in the Montecarlo samplings for small R. footnote:For the detailed algorithm and figures please ask the author at the e-mail address above. The resulting values were the following: h shielding/maximum-shielding ================================= 1 0.62 +/- 0.02 2 0.34 +/- 0.01 3 0.18 +/- 0.01 4 0.102 +/- 0.003 6 0.050 +/- 0.002 8 0.029 +/- 0.001 10 0.018 +/- 0.001 This strong height dependence is clearly incompatible with the mentioned experimental data, which instead seem to indicate that in the shielding process all the mass of the Earth behaves effectively as if it would be concentrated in one point. In our theoretical model this property arises in a natural way. We employ a quantum formula which expresses the static gravitational interaction energy of two masses m_1 and m_2 in terms of an invariant vacuum expectation value, namely (sorry, impossible to tell HTML commands from the elements of these equasions) The constants k and lambda are related -- in general as ``bare quantities'' -- to the Newton constant G and to the cosmological constant Lambda: k corresponds to 1/8 pi G and lambda to Lambda/8 pi . The trajectories x_i(t) of m_1 and m_2 are parallel with respect to the metric g; let R be their distance. In the weak-field approximation, eq.\ ref reproduces to lowest order the Newton potential and can be used to find its higher order quantum corrections muz, or implemented on a Regge lattice to investigate the non-perturbative behaviour of the potential at small distances h. The addition to the gravitational action of a term which represents a localized external Bose condensate footnote: This means that the density of the condensate is not included into the functional integration variables. mimics a shielding effect which is absent from the classical theory and which we take as our candidate model for the observed shielding. The feature of eq. which is of interest here is that if the two masses m_1 and m_2 are not pointlike, the trajectories x_1(t) and x_2(t) must be those of their centers of mass. (This also makes irrelevant the question -- actually ill-defined in general relativity -- whether they are pointlike or not.) Thus, when applying eq. to the Earth and the sample, we only need to consider the centers of mass of those bodies. In this way we reproduce the observed behaviour for the shielding as well as for the regular interaction. The ensuing apparent failure in the "local transmission" of the gravitational interaction does not contrast with any known property of gravity, and references about the problem of the local energy density in General Relativity and about the non-localization of virtual gravitons. One should also keep in mind that holds only in the static case. Finally, if we describe the shielding effect as a slight diminution of the effective value of the gravitational acceleration g, and remember that the gravitational potential energy U=-\frac G m_Earth r_Earth = -g r_Earth is negative, it follows that the energy of a sample inside the shielded zone is larger than its energy outside. This means in turn that the sample must feel an expulsive force at the border of the shielded region. Such a force has been indeed observed, although precise data are not available yet. From the theoretical point of view it is however not trivial to do any prevision about the intensity of the force. In fact, the shielding process absorbs energy from the experimental apparatus and thus any transient stage is expected to be highly non-linear, especially for heavy samples. bibliography: E. Podkletnov and R. Nieminen, Physica bf C 203 (1992) 441. E. Podkletnov and A.D. Levit, Gravitational shielding properties of composite bulk $YBa_2Cu_3O_7-x superconductor below 70 K under electro-magnetic field, Tampere University of Technology report MSU-95 chem, January 1995. G. Modanese, Theoretical analysis of a reported weak gravitational shielding effect, report MPI-PhT/95-44, 9505094, May 1995. G. Modanese, Role of a "local" cosmological constant in Euclidean quantum gravity, to appear as report UTF and on hep-th@xxx.lanl.gov, January 1996. E. Podkletnov, private communication, October 1995. G. Modanese, Phys. Lett. B 325 (1994) 354; Nucl. Phys. B 434 (1995) 697; Riv. Nuovo Cim. 17, n. 8 (1994). I.J. Muzinich and S. Vokos, Phys. Rev. D 52 (1995) 3472. D. Bak, D. Cangemi, R. Jackiw, Phys. Rev. D 49 (1994) 5173. H.W. Hamber and R.M. Williams, Nucl. Phys. B 435 (1995) 361. ... Catch the Blue Wave! -!- ProBoard v2.15 [Reg] ! Origin: Zooming in San Diego, 619-277-4140 (1:202/746) Ä Area: UFO's, Science, Contact (NO ridicule allowed!) ÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄ Msg#: 370 Date: 09-16-96 04:02 From: Chris Terraneau Read: Yes Replied: No To: All Mark: Subj: More antigrav 1/2 ÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄ From robert@skylink.netThu Aug 15 13:28:23 1996 Date: Thu, 8 Aug 1996 17:13:32 -0700 (PDT) From: Robert Stirniman To: terranea@nicimg.com Subject: Tampere Anti-Gravity Experiments Re: Tampere Anti-Gravity Experiments Here's some information about the gravitational shielding experiments which were done by E. Podkletnov and others, in Tampere Finland, with papers published in 1992 and 1995. Summary - A type 123 superconductor disk, approximately 6 inches in diameter, is levitated above a solenoid coil, and then rotated by using two other solenoid coils along its sides. A gravitational shielding effect was measured above the disk. A cube of glass was found to lose up to 2% of its weight. The Finnish scientists stumbled across this effect by accident while looking for something else. In the second of the two experiments the gravitational shielding effect above a 6-inch disk, was found to extend at least through the second floor of the laboratory building, with only a small attenuation over distance. Possible theoretical interpretations of the Tampere experiment have been proposed in two papers (May 1995 and January 1996) by Dr Giovanni Modanese of Italy. Two scientists engaged with NASA (Dr Ning Li and Dr Douglas Torr), at UAB Huntsville have also published some articles relating to the gravito-electric effects of superconductors. The Finnish scientists are reported to have been acquired by a corporation affiliated with the Canadian government. Further published reports are not expected. Aside from NASA, there may be no other groups attempting to repeat the experiment, except possibly a group in Italy. It's a relatively simple experiment with profound implications. Anti-Gravity and Free-Energy. It hasn't been well publicized -- actually not publicized at all. Unfortunately, it seems that a number of things like this have fallen through the cracks over the last 40 years and gotten lost somewhere in the intelligence beaureaucracy. In my opinion, the results of the Tampere experiment are directly related to the experiments of William Hooper, (Electric-Gravitational field from a current carrying conductor -- also know as: the Clausius Postulate is invalid). The genesis of Hooper's work was the experiments that Joel Fisher and Hooper did in the late 1950s. Hooper did additional experiments in the 1960s, and was awarded two US patents (in 1969 and 1972). In one of Hooper's patents he provided the comment that his invention will probably not become a practical thing until sometime in the future when superconductor technology becomes available. It could be that now's the time. Regards, Robert Stirniman =========================================================== (One of the earliest reports of the Tampere experiments was this article from Usenet about 10 months ago.) From: R.Bursill@sheffield.ac.uk (R Bursill) Subject: Hi Tc SC and gravitational shielding Date: Fri, 6 Oct 1995 03:14:41 GMT Is anyone familiar with the experiments in Tampere Finland, by Podkletnov et al on weak gravitational shielding from a Meissner levitating, rotating disk of high-Tc superconducting material? The paper is: E. Podkletnov and R. Nieminen, Physica C 203 (1992) 441. E. Podkletnov and A. D. Levit have another paper now, a Tampere University of Technology report, January 1995 (Finland), the experiment having being repeated (I assume no one believed it the first time?). In the 1st experiment a 5 g sample of silicon dioxide was found to loose around 0.05 % of its weight when placed at a distance of 15 mm from the SC disk. The SC disk had diameter 145 mm and thickness 6 mm. Under rotation of the disk the effect increased up to 0.3 %. In the 2nd experiment samples of different composition and weight (10-50 g) were placed at distances of 25 mm to 1.5 m from the disk. The mass loss went as high as around 2 %. I found out about this through a theoretical preprint by Giovanni Modanese, a Von Humboldt Fellow from the Max Plank institute. The preprint no. is MPI-PhT/95-44, May 1995. A colleage got it from hep-th@babbage.sissa.it, paper 9505094. Modanese thinks that it is something to do with the bose condensate from the SC interacting with the gravitational field. He uses some non-perturbative quantum theory on the Regge lattice to attempt to understand the effect. Must be a little bit like explaining cold fusion with the standard tools - couldn't be done. We all know what happened to cold fusion but at the time a professor from my department said in a public lecture that the product of the believability and the potential importance if true was of order 1. - Robert Bursill ------------------------------------------------------------------- E. Podkletnov and R. Nieminen, "A Possibility of Gravitational Force Shielding by Bulk YBa2Cu3O7-x Superconductor", Physica C 203 (1992) pp 441-444. E. Podkletnov and A.D. Levi, "Gravitational Shielding Properties of Composite Bulk YBa2Cu3O7-x Superconductor Below 70 C Under Electro-Magnetic Field", Tampere University of Technology report MSU-95 chem, January 1995. HEP-TH/9505094 Theoretical analysis of a reported weak gravitational shielding effect Author: G. Modanese (Max-Planck-Institut, Munich) Report-no: MPI-PhT/95-44 May 1995 Under special conditions (Meissner-effect levitation and rapid rotation) a disk of high-Tc superconducting material has recently been found to produce a weak shielding of the gravitational field. We show that this phenomenon has no explanation in the standard gravity theories, except possibly in the non-perturbative quantum theory on the Regge lattice. More data, and independent repetitions of the experiment are however necessary. ABSTRACT SUPR-CON/9601001 From: Modanese, Giovanni Date: Wed, 17 Jan 1996 21:54:45 +0100 (MET) Updating the analysis of Tampere's weak gravitational shielding experiment Author: Giovanni Modanese Report-no: UTF-367/96 The most recent data about the weak gravitational shielding produced in Tampere by Podkletnov and coworkers through a levitating and rotating HTC superconducting disk show a very weak dependence of the shielding value ($\sim 1 \%$) on the height above the disk. We show that whilst this behaviour is incompatible with an intuitive vectorial picture of the shielding, it is consistently explained by our theoretical model. The expulsive force observed at the border of the shielded zone is due to energy conservation. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- (continued in next message) ... Catch the Blue Wave! -!- ProBoard v2.15 [Reg] ! Origin: Zooming in San Diego, 619-277-4140 (1:202/746) Ä Area: UFO's, Science, Contact (NO ridicule allowed!) ÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄ Msg#: 371 Date: 09-16-96 04:02 From: Chris Terraneau Read: Yes Replied: No To: All Mark: Subj: More antigrav 2/2 ÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄ (continued from last message) NASA has been conducting experiments similar to the anti-gravity shielding experiments done in Tampere Finland. Dr. Ning Li at the University of Alabama Huntsville, has published some articles about the relationship between superconductors and gravitation. She works closely with Dr Douglas Torr. AUTHOR(s): Li, Ning and Torr, D.G. TITLE(s) Effects of a Gravitomagnetic Field on pure superconductors In: Phys. Rev. D, JAN 15 1991 v 43 n 2 Page 457 AUTHOR(s): Torr, Douglas G. Li, Ning TITLE(s): Gravitoelectric-Electric Coupling via Superconductivity. In: Foundations of physics letters. AUG 01 1993 v 6 n 4 Page 371 AUTHOR(s): Li, Ning and Torr, D.G. TITLE(s): Gravitational effects on the magnetic attenuation of superconductors. In: Physical review. b, condensed matter. SEP 01 1992 v 46 n 9 Page 5489 ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Joel Fisher and William Hooper: A Progress Report on Gravitational Research. Presented at New Boston, N.H., August 16, 1958. W.B. Smith: Suggestions on Gravity Control Through Field Manipulation, April 10, 1959. An early description of gravity control after repeating the Fisher-Hooper experiment. US Patent #3,610,971. "All Electric Motional Electric Field Generator", Awarded to William Hooper, April 1969 US Patent # 3,656,013. "Apparatus for Generating Motional Electric Field", Awarded to William Hooper, April 1972 Hooper, W. J. (1974). New Horizons in Electric, Magnetic and Gravitational Field Theory, Electrodynamic Gravity, Inc. 1969 W. Farrel Edwards, "Measurement of an Electric Field Due to Conduction Currents", Utah State University Press, 1974 W. Farrel Edwards, "Continuing Investigation into Possible Electric Fields Arising from Steady Conduction Currents", Physical Review D, Vol 14 No 4 Page 922, August 1974. Oleg Jefimenko, "Force Exerted on a Stationary Charge by a Moving Electric Current or by a Moving Magnet", American Journal of Physics, Vol 63 No3 Page 218, March 1993. Ralph Sansbury, "Detection of a Force Between a Charged Metal Foil and a Current Carrying Conductor", Rev. Sci. Instrumen. Vol 56 No 3 Page 415. Frances G. Gibson, "THE ALL-ELECTRIC FIELD GENERATOR AND ITS POTENTIAL", Electrodynamic Gravity, Inc., 1983 FREE FALL OF ELEMENTARY PARTICLES: ON MOVING BODIES AND THEIR ELECTROMAGNETIC FORCES, by Nils Rognerud 1994 (nils@ccnet.com) (This paper available at the elektromagnum website) This paper is a review of the problem of the observable action of gravitational forces on charged particles. The author discusses the induced electric fields and the sometimes overlooked unique physical properties. He analyzes several experiments, showing the reality of the induced electric fields. The current interpretation, based on the idea of only one electric field, with certain characteristics, is compared with alternative approaches. The Hooper Coil: Rognerud has tested a setup by pulsing strong currents, opposite and equal, through multiple parallel conductors. The configuration of the conductors in this type of experiment will cancel the B-fields, while still producing an Em field, in accordance with Eq. 4.2. This is similar to an experiment by Hooper (W. J. Hooper), who successfully predicted and measured the motional electric field - all in zero resultant B-field. Interestingly, all of the above experiments can influence an electron with a zero B-field, in the region of the electron. This has some profound implications - one of which is that the motional electric force field is immune to electrostatic or magnetic shielding. Experimentally, it can be confirmed that the motional electric field is immune to shielding and follows the boundary conditions of the magnetic (not electric) field. The only way to shield a motional electric field is to use a magnetic shield around the source of the magnetic flux - containing it at the source. These effects are not startling if one remembers that the motional electric field is a magnetic effect and that a magnetic field has a different boundary condition than the electric field. The Hooper effect can be readily demonstrated in the "Two Moving Magnets Experiment". In this experiment, magnetic flux is provided by equal strength opposite pole magnets, moving uniformly in opposite directions. The induced motional electric field that is generated in a conductor, is found to be twice that which would result from a single magnet, while remarkably, the sum of the magnetic B field is zero. This experiment is easy to setup and verify in any electronics laboratory with a pair of magnets, a wire, and a voltmeter. In fact, you may wrap the conductor, in electrostatic or magnetic shielding, and find the same result. -- Nils Rognerud ------------------------------------------------------------------------ EXPERIMENTAL RESULTS OF HOOPER'S GRAVITY-ELECTROMAGNETIC COUPLING CONCEPT National Aeronautics and Space Administration. Lewis Research Center, Cleveland, OH. MILLIS, MARC G. WILLIAMSON, GARY SCOTT JUN. 1995 12 PAGES Presented at the 31st Joint Propulsion Conference and Exhibit, San Diego CA, 10-12 Jul. 1995; sponsored by AIAA, ASME, SAE, and ASEE NASA-TM-106963 E-9719 NAS 1.15:106963 AIAA PAPER 95-2601 Avail: CASI HC A03/MF A01 Experiments were conducted to test assertions from Patent 3,610,971, by W.J. Hooper that self-canceling electromagnetic coils can reduce the weight of objects placed underneath. No weight changes were observed within the detectability of the instrumentation. More careful examination of the patent and other reports from Hooper led to the conclusion that Hooper may have misinterpreted thermal effects as his 'Motional Field' effects. There is a possibility that the claimed effects are below the detection thresholds of the instrumentation used for these tests. CASI Accession Number: N95-28893 ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Well, I am not going to be able to be polite about the above paper by NASA. Afterall, who paid for it? About a half dozen other different scientists have managed to find Hooper's effect without extreme difficulty. Most notably, take a look at the carefully done experiments of W. Farrel Edwards. But NASA can't find it? The amount of ampere-turns used in the NASA experiment was substantially lower than the amount used by Hooper. Hooper found that his effect increased in proportion to the square of the current -- and others have verified this theoretically and experimentally. If you were motivated to verify that the Hooper effect exists, would you not try to conduct the experiment with more ampere-turns, rather than less? Also, NASA suggests that Hooper's experiment was faulty due to "thermal effects". This hypothesis was put forward without any attempt whatsoever at verification. Yes, "thermal effects" does provide a nice prosaic explanation, if that's what you're looking for. If you're going to take the podium at a scientific conference under the NASA banner, and proclaim that something of the profound significance of the Hooper effect does not work -- then you have an obligation to society to make damn sure that you are right. An honest scientific approach requires at least a minimum effort. NASA did not even make the effort to duplicate Hooper's experiment in a fashion similar to what he originally did. The whole affair reminds me of when Copernicus asked the good Catholic bishops to look through his telescope to easily verify that Jupiter has satellites. "No, No. We must not see that." At best the NASA experiment is horrible science. It may be something much worse. Yes indeed. I'm mad as hell. Robert Stirniman ... Catch the Blue Wave! -!- ProBoard v2.15 [Reg] ! Origin: Zooming in San Diego, 619-277-4140 (1:202/746) Ä Area: UFO's, Science, Contact (NO ridicule allowed!) ÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄ Msg#: 374 Date: 09-16-96 04:02 From: Chris Terraneau Read: Yes Replied: No To: All Mark: Subj: Telegraph article (uk) ÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄ Tampere Anti-Gravity Report - The Journal of Ideas Issue The Journal of Ideas - Ideas to improve the quality of life - free magazine, Issue 4, Article title: Tampere Anti-Gravity Report" author: John Alexander Tampere Anti-Gravity Report By Staff Writer - 02/09/1996 Category: Physics Article Number 185 Article in Sunday Telegraph (UK), September 1 1996, page 3. BREAKTHROUGH AS SCIENTISTS BEAT GRAVITY. by Robert Matthews and Ian Sample SCIENTISTS in Finland are about to reveal details of the world's first anti-gravity device. Measuring about 12in across, the device is said to reduce significantly the weight of anything suspended over it. The claim -- which has been rigorously examined by scientists, and is due to appear in a physics journal next month -- could spark a technological revolution. By combatting gravity, the most ubiquitous force in the universe, everything from transport to power generation could be transformed. The Sunday Telegraph has learned that Nasa, the American space agency, is taking the claims seriously, and is funding research into how the anti-gravity effect could be turned into a means of flight. The researchers at the Tampere University of Technology in Finland, who discovered the effect, say it could form the heart of a new power source, in which it is used to drive fluids past electricity-generating turbines. Other uses seem limited only by the imagination: Lifts in buildings could be replaced by devices built into the ground. People wanting to go up would simply activate the anti-gravity device -- making themselves weightless -- and with a gentle push ascend to the floor they want. Space-travel would bitcome routine, as all the expense and danger of rocket technology is geared towards combatting the Earth's gravitation pull. By using the devices to raise fluids against gravity, and then conventional gravity to pull them back to earth against electricity-generating turbines, the devices could also revolutionise power generation. According to Dr Eugene Podkletnov, who led the research, the discovery was accidental. It emerged during routine work on so-called "superconductivity", the ability of some materials to lose their electrical resistance at very low temperatures. The team was carrying out tests on a rapidly spinning disc of superconducting ceramic suspended in the magnetic field of three electric coils, all enclosed in a low-temperature vessel called a cryostat. "One of my friends came in and he was smoking his pipe," Dr Podkletnov said. "He put some smoke over the cryostat and we saw that the smoke was going to the ceiling all the time. It was amazing -- we couldn't explain it." Tests showed a small drop in the weight of objects placed over the device, as if it were shielding the object from the effects of gravity - an effect deemed impossible by most scientists. "We thought it might be a mistake," Dr Podkletnov said, "but we have taken every precaution." Yet the bizarre effects persisted. The team found that even the air pressure vertically above the device dropped slightly, with the effect detectable directly above the device on every floor of the laboratory. In recent years, many so-called "anti-gravity" devices have been put forward by both amateur and professional scientists, and all have been scorned by the establishment. What makes this latest claim different is that it has survived intense scrutiny by sceptical, independent experts, and has been accepted for publication by the Journal of Physics-D: Applied Physics, published by Britain's Institute of Physics. Even so, most scientists will not feel comfortable with the idea of anti-gravity until other teams repeat the experiments. Some scientists suspect the anti-gravity effect is a long-sought side-effect of Einstein's general theory of relativity, by which spinning objects can distort gravity. Until now it was thought the effect would be far too small to measure in the laboratory. However, Dr Ning Li, a senior research scientist at the University of Alabama, said that the atoms inside superconductors may magnify the effect enormously. Her research is funded by Nasa's Marshall Space Flight centre at Huntsville, Alabama, and Whitt Brantley, the chief of Advanced Concepts Office there, said: "We're taking a look at it, because if we don't, we'll never know." The Finnish team is already expanding its programme, to see if it can amplify the anti-gravity effect. In its latest experiments, the team has measured a two per cent drop in the weight of objects suspended over the device -and double that if one device is suspended over another. If the team can increase the effect substantially, the commercial implications are enormous. ... Catch the Blue Wave! -!- ProBoard v2.15 [Reg] ! Origin: Zooming in San Diego, 619-277-4140 (1:202/746)