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  Msg#: 8164                                         Date: 02-21-96  07:34
  From: Mike Pell                                    Read: Yes    Replied: No 
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  Msg#: 75                                         Date: 02-14-96  00:56
  From: Density4@cts.com                           Read: Yes    Replied: No 
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From: density4@cts.com (Blue Resonant Human)
Subject: Atlantis, The Atlantis Grid, DNA and the Redemption of the Universe
Organization: CTS Network Services

            Atlantis, The Atlantis Grid, DNA 
           and the Redemption of the Universe.  

                 by Peter Rhodes-Dimmer 


The question of DNA - and the inter-racial difficulties it 
caused - was important in Atlantis, and this article attempts to 
show why, what the historical background was, and the context it 
gives us for today.  

There was more than one type of humanoid present during Atlantis.
To understand how this came about, we have to look back 
further in time, at even earlier civilisations on this planet.  

The humanoid form is a design that has existed for aeons of time,
and over that time has been expressed in may different ways.  
To explain what is meant by this, we might take a house design 
as a metaphor.  Its plans, elevations, levels, general layout, 
rooms, the pitch of the roof, etc.  - all taken together - are 
what constitute that design.  The expression of that design may 
be to build it from timber, bricks, metal sheets, mud and wattle 
- the end effect will be very different depending on the 
materials chosen, but it's all the same fundamental design.  

So it is with the humanoid form.  Over time, the same design has 
been expressed a number of different ways, using the best DNA 
that was then available, which in turn reflects different stages 
in the development of the physical planes of existence.  Since 
Humanity has been in the phenomenon known as The Fall - from the 
time of Atlantis we have been moving steadily down through the 
frequencies those who came before us now exist only at higher 
frequency levels, which, being largely out of sync with our own, 
are no longer a part of our general consciousness.  What 
memories are left are now consigned to fairy stories and 
mythology.  

On planet Earth, there have been three great DNA experiments 
capable of expressing the humanoid design.  The first was the 
reptilian, and we know that, prior to the domination by the 
planet of the Dinosaurs, the reptiles represented the major and 
most advanced DNA building block on the planet, and many 
different reptilian forms resulted.  The highest expression of 
the reptilian DNA was a humanoid, reptile-man, or Reptoid.  They 
formed the first great civilisation here, now completely lost to 
any recorded history.  They were cold blooded, and therefore 
very temperature sensitive, although in a highly energised 
planetary environment, this probably mattered little.  Compared 
to today's hu-man, they were almost devoid of emotion.  

The Dinosaurs, the second great experiment, were a much more 
sophisticated DNA form, and they were even more prolific, being 
the dominant DNA on Earth for 165 million years.  Over time they 
developed to become warm blooded, allowing them to operate 
efficiently in a wide variety of ambient temperatures.  

A recent documentary on The Discovery Channel followed an 
interesting scientific detective story, as several Professors in 
this field explored sites where dinosaur footprints and tracks - 
sometimes by the thousand - are to be found.  What became 
evident was that there were no tail prints, which turns out to 
be highly significant.  All our pictures of Dinosaurs, developed 
against images first proposed over 100 years ago, show large 
tails being dragged, lizard-like, over the ground, and these 
were shown to be incorrect.  The facts drawn from imprints left 
on the ground, and re-constructions of the implied mechanics of 
walking, now appear to indicate that these tails were balancing 
devices, and as such, were held horizontally, and clear of the 
ground, leaving no trail.  

The documentary illustrated that over time that one particular 
group of dinosaurs had become increasingly upright.  The 
terrifying Terrano-saurus Rex is a good example, as its 
massively muscular front legs were far too short to be useful 
as legs.  They were arms - T-Rex moved on two legs, and stood 
upright, as did many of the later dinosaurs.  



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  Msg#: 8165                                         Date: 02-21-96  07:34
  From: Mike Pell                                    Read: Yes    Replied: No 
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One professor in the documentary showed his conclusion of the 
logical pinnacle of the development of dinosaurs, in the form of 
a full scale model.  It was a giant humanoid!  So, a humanoid 
based on Dinosaur DNA - or a Dinoid - is now tentatively 
supported by the latest archaeological findings.  Indeed, 
science is thus just beginning to support what the kids comic 
strip writers, and of the great science-fiction series, appear 
to have known for decades.  There are a variety of humanoids 
that have developed in the past, based on the same basic design 
as our own, and making the highest use of the best DNA that was 
available when and where this happened.  Thus, for example, the 
Cardassians from Star Trek are a Reptoid race, humanoid beings 
based on the reptilian DNA.  The Klingons are a Dinoid race, 
humanoids based on the dinosaur DNA.  

The Dinoids were the second humanoid civilisation, here on Earth,
in pre-history.  Like the Reptoids, they left and moved to 
colonise other places, long ago.  

How does this apply to Atlantis?  Well, we are all, vaguely, 
aware that these complete civilisations have been here before 
our recorded - or even speculated history.  Indeed, they were! 
First the Reptoids, with their distinctly unfeeling, unemotional 
demeanour.  Then the dinoids, who, being warm blooded, were far 
more like us.  Both developed, ascended to higher frequencies, 
and left the planet.  Both types, in their higher form, came 
back again, many, many times.  There were many civilisations, 
spread around the cosmos, based on one or other of the two main 
DNA types, and there were almost certainly other DNA derivatives 
of the humanoid design, as well.  Crustaceans, and Arachnid 
forms come to mind from the comic strips - perhaps these, too, 
represent some distant memory?  

The book 'Two Thirds' records how the Alteans (who appear to 
have been a Dinoid race) travelled across two galaxies to settle 
on Mars, where they spent two hundred thousand years developing 
the new DNA from which the hu-man being - the third great DNA 
experiment on Earth - was to be created.  Then, in just two 
generations they genetically engineered the native anthropoids 
to create the first true humans.  They went on to observe, 
manage, and lead the new hu-man race through hundreds of 
thousands of years as it started it's long developmental period. 

Notice the similarity between the names 'Altean' and 'Atlantean'.

The Dinoids were a far more developed humanoid type than the 
humans, since they had existed immeasurably longer.  However, 
their DNA was ultimately less capable than the human DNA, so 
that their ultimate development could not go nearly as far as 
the full potential of the human being.  They looked for ways to 
get around this restriction, and in particular, they did this 
energetically, developing a two layer soul structure.  The first 
layer was not unlike ours.  The second, a sort of soul-mantle, 
held many extraordinary faculties which, today, we are only just 
becoming cognoscente of.  Using the power of this mantle, they 
could manifest into the physical, travel across time and 
dimensions, communicate telepathically, teleport and bi-locate.  

Although Earth had long since ceased to be the home for their 
civilisations, later, a small number of Dinoids were here for a 
long time as powerful leaders of the newer hu-man beings.  They 
lead Atlantis, and later were the Pharaoh's of ancient Egypt.  
It is probable that there were Reptoids here, as well, at that 
time.  Again, the book 'Two Thirds' is interesting, as it 
portrays the reptilian group, one of several civilisations from 
the Plaeides, and the Alteans (who were Dinoid) struggling for 
control of the galaxy.  The role of the hu-man, after a very 
tough time over many incarnations, is illustrated in the book as
1995, the grid locked on to the planet, rather than pass right 
by, as it had done so many times before.  At the end of that 
month, ceremonies around the world were performed to start the 
process of re-commissioning the grid into it's true form, which 
is highly energised, and multi-dimensional.  All twelve cosmic 
energies are now present for the first time since Atlantis, and 
now there is a thirteenth energy, which is only just appearing 
around the whole planet for the first time.  This energy holds 
the whole system together, and in a form that is highly 
resistant to abuse (unlike the system of seven it replaces, 
which is easily polarised).  This energy, now coming into it's 
own for the first time, was seeded two thousand years ago, and 
is what we might now call the Christ Energy.  

The grid that gave rise to, and supported Atlantis is back.  
Soon, all the energetic structures it represents will be in 
place and operating, and in addition, the Christ energy will 
envelop the whole planet.  The much discussed Ascension is the 
move back up the energies, driven by the re-commissioning of the 
Atlantis grid, to where we once were energetically, at the time 
when the Dinoids reigned, and abundance and magic were, for so 
long, the order of the day.  


... A lie is most convincingly hidden between two truths.--Deep Throat
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  Msg#: 8166                                         Date: 02-21-96  07:34
  From: Mike Pell                                    Read: Yes    Replied: No 
    To: All                                          Mark: Reply               
  Subj: Atlantis 3/3
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The big difference is that now, humanity has evolved a great 
deal, having been tempered by long experience of the fall, 
separation, and all that has gone with it through many hundreds, 
if not thousands, of incarnations.  We are ready to take, and 
use, the powers that were once available to Atlantis, for the 
highest good, and in an entirely new format.  What is now 
happening will eventually benefit the whole cosmos, as it brings 
about the full and positive expression of the powers for so long 
latent in the Human design.  What is on offer to humanity is 
it's destiny, is no less than the leadership position in the 
redemption of the Universe! 

Peter Rhodes-Dimmer 



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  Msg#: 8167                                         Date: 02-21-96  07:34
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  Msg#: 137                                        Date: 02-16-96  22:45
  From: Jsavino@superlink.net                      Read: Yes    Replied: No 
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From: jsavino@superlink.net (Savino)
Subject: Re: Ancient Astronauts
Organization: SuperNet, Inc., NJ, USA (908-828-8988)

Doug Weller (dweller@ramtops.demon.co.uk) wrote:

: In article <4frh5b$gs9@earth.superlink.net>,
:          jsavino@superlink.net (Savino) wrote:
: [SNIP]
:> Moreover, both aliens had the same name and the same celestial home
:> (which is invisible to the naked eye).

: Ok, I'll bite, which were....?

Archaeoastronomic / archaeological records indicate that the home of the 
Andean alien Amaru ("The Serpent") was a constellation likewise called 
The Serpent. Though apparently never seen by Andean or archaeoastronomer 
alike, this constellation was described as a S-shaped dark nebula lying 
to the north of the great llama that runs south from Epsilon Scorpii.

Archaeoastronomic / archaeological records from the Near East indicate
that the home of the alien called The Serpent was a constellation 
likewise called The Serpent, beginning on the star Theta Ophiuchii 
and curving around to Zeta Ophiuchii.  
 
Anyway, it turns out that a S-shaped dark nebula --invisible to the
naked eye-- actually exists near the star Theta Ophiuchii, just to the
north of Scorpio. The astronomers call it The Snake, or more formally, 
nebula B72. A Serpent at roughly the same location is the only point of 
mutual agreement between the Andean constellations of dark nebulae and 
the Sumerian constellations of bright stars, and I have compiled a 
significant amount of evidence to support these notions. I take it quite 
seriously since the make-up of the night sky seems to be one of the most 
stable elements of human knowledge.

Let's make something clear: the evidence is strongly suggestive but not 
conclusive. From the Sumerian side, I find no signs of knowledge that the
celestial serpent was comprised of dark nebulae, but the lack of a celestial
fix may account for this being almost the only constellation to change shape,
enlarged and turned toward more northern skies to become our contemporary
Serpens. On the Andean side, the unseen Serpent remained stable, but to
give themselves something to look at they effectively duplicated its 
S-shape out of visible nebulae in more southern skies. 

An alien civilization may very well reside within or near the nebula we 
call B72,  and I firmly believe a thorough search of that area of the sky 
is more likely to produce results than a superficial search across the 
entire sky.

The precise coordinates of the alien civilization would, of course, be 
enormously helpful. If anyone is interested in really wild speculation,
I have something to suggest: try to find the point of collision on the 
celestial sphere of a planetary arrow running out of our solar system 
and a star arrow running out of Scorpio's tail.  The rules of the game 
are as follows:

Horizontal Coordinates

You must begin with Mars in all cases, and then try running through one
of the innermost planets or through the midpoint between Venus and Mercury. 
Timer: alignment of Venus, Mars and Uranus. Epoch: mid-September of 433 A.D.

Vertical Coordinates

The best tries seem to be a) Theta Scorpii through the midpoint of Lambda 
Scorpii and Upsilon Scorpii, and b) the midpoint of Kappa Scorpii and Theta 
Scorpii through Lambda Scorpii. Epoch: mid-September of 433 A.D.

P.S. If you have a radio telescope, please try to tune in at some 
imaginative frequencies.

 









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  Msg#: 1                                            Date: 27 Jul 96  16:43:23
  From: Antryg Windrose                              
    To: Martin Van Leijen                            
  Subj: Atlantis
ÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄ
 MVL> You CAN erect Easter Island heads with just manpower, ropes, and a
 MVL> few logs.  There ARE ancient Egyptian paintings showing how pyramids
 MVL> and megasculptures were put into place (as Lister said, "Whips.
 MVL> Massive whips.") Most of the Nazca "runways" are 5' or less across.
 MVL> Almost every ship which disappeard in the Triangle "on a clear day"
 MVL> did so during major storms.  There is *no record of Atlantis prior
 MVL> to Plato*, who sets up the whole situation by explaining that Solon's
 MVL> story was told on a day traditionally associated with *the telling of
 MVL> tall tales*. Etc., etc., etc. 

Aw, now you've gone and RUINED it all for everybody!  #8-(
And a bloody good thing, too.  Regards.


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  Msg#: 17822                                        Date: 08-05-96  18:20
  From: Jane Segal                                   Read: Yes    Replied: No 
    To: Phil Clarke                                  Mark:                     
  Subj: Re: Atlantis
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PC>[quoting Martin van Leijen from a message to Brad Stolmar]

PC>MvL> I wonder why people don't read *Plato* instead of some pulp
PC>MvL> writers,  way they might discover that Plato himself says that
PC>MvL> the STORY of  is largely his own invention. Why is it that some
PC>MvL> parts of the  story are true (according to the Atlantologists)
PC>and others  
PC>     Where would one obtain his writing?  Also I doubt you were
PC>reading his work either, as you probably read/write in English.  He
PC>did not, so you are at the mercy of the interpretations of the
PC>interpreter. 

Hi Phil!

I would imagine that one could obtain Plato's writings in the local 
library or you could order them at a book store.  As far as I know, they 
are not out of print as Plato is one author that our English teachers 
encouraged us to read when we were young.  As for the translations and 
interpretations, you are absolutely correct, however unless you learn 
Plato's language, which was Greek, circa 427? -347 B.C.  Plato (his 
nickname) was Aristocles and his mentor was Socrates.  The only listings 
that I could find as to a title of his work was _THE REPUBLIC_, 
_Critias_ and _Timaeus_.  His writings were, however made widely 
available through the translations of Benjamin Jowett (1817-1893) who 
was an outstanding classical scholar of Oxford University.

As for the story of Atlantis, Plato heard the story from his father, 
Solon.  The story was told to him by an Egyptian priest who was telling 
the founding of Athens in very ancient times by the goddess Athena.  
Following is the story told to Solon by the priest:

"Many great and wonderful deeds are recorded of your state in our 
histories.  But one of them exceeds all the rest in greatness and 
valour.  For these histories tell of a mighty power which unprovoked 
made an expedition against the whole of Europe and Asia, and to which 
your city put an end.  This power came forth out of the Atlantic Ocean, 
for in those days the Atlantic was navigable; and there was an island 
situated in front of the straits larger than Libya and Asia put 
together, and was the way to other islands, and from these you might 
pass to the whole of the opposite continent which surrounded the true 
ocean; for this sea which is within the Straits of Heracles is only a 
harbour, having a narrow entrance, but that other is a real sea, and the 
surrounding land may be most truly called a boundless continent.  Now in 
this island of Atlantis there was a great and wonderful empire which had 
rule over the whole island and several men of Atlantis had subjected the 
parts of Libya within the columns of Heracles as far as Egypt, and of 
Europe as far as Tyrrhenia.  This vast power, gathered into one, 
endeavoured to subdue at a blow our country and yours and the whole of 
the region within the straits; and then Solon, your country shone forth, 
in the excellence of her virtue and strength, among all mankind.  She 
was pre-eminent in courage and military skill, and was the leader of the 
Hellenes.  And when the rest fell off from her, being compelled to stand 
alone, after having undergone the very extremity of danger, she defeated 
and triumphed over the invaders, and preserved from slavery those who 
were not yet subjugated, and generously liberated all the rest of us who 
dwell within the pillars.  But afterwards there occurred violent 
earthquakes and floods; and in a single day and night of misfortune all 
your warlike men in a body sank into the earth, and the island of 
Atlantis in like manner disappeared in the depths of the sea.  For which 
reason the sea in those parts is impassable and impenetrable, because 
there is a shoal of mud in the way; and this was caused by the 
subsidence of the island."

The next account which goes back 9,000 years was also brought up in 
_Cretias_ and goes as such:

"And Poseidon, receiving for his lot the island of Atlantis, begat 
children by a mortal woman, and settled them in a part of the island, 
which I will describe.  Looking towards the sea, but in the centre of 
the whole island, there was a plain which is said to have been the 
fairest of all plains and very fertile.  Near the plain again, and also 
in the centre of the island at a distance of about fifty stadia, there 
was a mountain not very high on any side.  In this mountain there dwelt 
one of the earth-born primeval men of that country, whose name was 
Evenor, and he had a wife Leucippe, and they had an only daughter who 
was called Cleito.  The maiden had already reached womanhood, when her 
father and mother died; Poseidon fell in love with her and had 
intercourse with her, and breaking the ground, inclosed the hill in 
which she dwelt all around, making alternate zones of sea and land 
larger and smaller, encircling one another; there were two of land and 
three of water, which he turned as with a lathe, each having its 
circumference equidistant everyway from the centre, so that no man could 
get to the island, for ships and voyages were not as yet.  He himself, 
being a god, found no difficulty in making special arrangements for the 
centre island bringing up two springs of water from beneath the earth, 
one of warm water and the other cold, and making every variety of food 
to spring up abundantly from the soil.  He also begat and brought up 
five pairs of twin male children; and dividing the island of Atlantis 
into ten portions, he gave to the first-born of the eldest pair his 
mother's dwelling and the surrounding allotment, which was the largest 
and best, and made him king over the rest; the others he made princes, 
and gave them rule over many men, and a large territory.  And he named 
them all; the eldest who was the first king he named Atlas, and after 
him the whole island and the ocean were called Atlantic."


(Continued next message...)
"If you will practice being fictional for a while, you will understand that 
fictional characters are someties more real than people with bodies and 
heartbeats."
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  Msg#: 17823                                        Date: 08-05-96  18:20
  From: Jane Segal                                   Read: Yes    Replied: No 
    To: Phil Clarke                                  Mark:                     
  Subj: Re: Atlantis
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(Continued from previous message...)
continued...

"If you will practice being fictional for a while, you will understand that 
fictional characters are someties more real than people with bodies and 
heartbeats."
_ILLUSIONS, THE RELUCTANT MESSIAH - Richard Bach       

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  Msg#: 17824                                        Date: 08-05-96  18:20
  From: Jane Segal                                   Read: Yes    Replied: No 
    To: Phil Clarke                                  Mark:                     
  Subj: Re: Atlantis
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continued from previous message RE: Plato and Atlantis

Plato goes on...

"First of all they bridged over the zones of sea which surrounded the 
ancient metropolis, making a road to and from the royal palace.  And at 
the very beginning they built the palace in the habitation of the god 
and of their ancestors, which they continued to ornamenting successive 
generations, every king surpassing the one who went before him to the 
utmost of his power, until they made the building a marvel to behold for 
size and for beauty.  And  beginning from the sea they bored a canal of 
three hundred feet in width and one hundred feet in depth and fifty 
stadia in length, which they carried through to the outermost zone, 
making a passage from the sea up to this, which became a harbour, and 
leaving an opening sufficient to enable the largest vessels to find 
ingress.  Moreover, they divided at the bridges the zones of land which 
parted the zones of sea, leaving room for a single trireme to pass out 
of one zone into another, and they covered over the channels so as to 
leave a way underneath for the ships; for the banks were raised 
considerably above the water.  Now the largest of the zones into which a 
passage was cut from the sea was tree stadia in breadth, and the zone of 
land which came next of equal bredth; but the next two zones, the one of 
water, the other of land, were two stadia, and the one which surrounded 
the central island was a stadium only in width.  The island in which the 
palace was situated had a diameter of five stadia.  All this including 
the zones and the bridge, which was the sixth part of a stadium in 
width, they surrounded by a stone wall on every side, placing towers and 
gates on the bridges where the sea passed in.  The stone which was used 
in the work they quarried from underneath the centre island, and from 
underneath the zones, on the outer as well as the inner side.  One kind 
was white, another black, and a third red, and as they quarried, they at 
the same time hollowed out red, and as they quarried, they at the same 
time hollowed out double docks, having roofs formed out of the native 
rock.  Some of their buildings were simple, but in others they put 
together different stones, varying the colour to please the eye, and to 
be a natural source of delight.  The entire circuit of the wall, which 
went round the outermost zone, they covered with a coating of brass, and 
the circuit of the next wall they coated with tin, and the third, which 
encompassed the citadel, flashed with the red light of orichalcum..."(* 
A yellow metallic substance considered precious by the ancient Greeks, 
probably a type of brass.)

There follows a description of the palaces and temples:

"In the next place, they had fountains, one of cold and another of hot 
water, in gracious plenty flowing; and they were wonderfully adapted for 
use by reason of the pleasantness and excellence of their waters.  They 
constructed buildings about them and planted suitable trees; also they 
made cisterns, some open to the heavens, others roofed over, to be used 
in winter as warm baths; there were the kings' baths, and the baths of 
private persons, which were kept apart; and there were separate baths 
for women, and for horses and cattle, and of each of them they gave as 
much adornment as was suitable.  Of the water which gave as much 
adornment as was suitable.  Of the water which ran off they carried some 
to the grove of Poseidon, where were growing all manner of trees of 
wonderful height and beauty, owing to the excellence of the soil, while 
others for horses in both of the two islands formed by the zones; and in 
the centre of the larger of the two there was set apart a race-course of 
a stadium in width, and in length allowed to extend all round the 
island, for horses to race in."

After describing guardhouses and the crowded docks, Plato goes on:

"Leaving the palace and passing out across the three harbours, you came 
to a wall which began at the sea and went all around: this was 
everywhere distant fifty stadia from the largest zone or harbour, and 
enclosed the whole, the ends meeting at the mouth of the channel which 
led to the sea.  The entire area was densely crowded with habitations; 
and the canal and the largest of the harbours were full of vessels and 
merchants coming from all parts, who, from their numbers, kept up a 
multitudinous sound of human voices, and din and clatter of all sorts 
night and day.

I have described the city and the environs of the ancient palace nearly 
in the words of Solon, and now I must endeavour to represent to you the 
nature and arrangement of the rest of the land.  The whole country was 
said by him to be very lofty and precipitous on the side of the sea, but 
the country immediately about and surrounding the city was a level 
plain, itself surrounded by mountains which descended towards the sea; 
it was smooth and even, and of an oblong shape, extending in one 
direction three thousand stadia, but across the centre inland it was two 
thousand stadia.  This part of the island looked towards the south, and 
was sheltered from the north.  The surrounding mountains were celebrated 
for their number and size and beauty, far beyond any which still exist, 
having in them also many wealthy villages of country folk, and rivers, 
and lakes, and meadows supplying food enough for every animal, wild or 
tame, and much wood of various sorts, abundant for each and every kind 
of work.

I will now describe the plain, as it was fashioned by nature and by the 
labours of many generations of kings through long ages.  It was for the 
most part rectangular and oblong, and where falling out of the straight 
line followed the circular ditch.  The depth, and width, and length of 
this ditch were incredible, and gave the impression that a work of such 
extent, in addition to so many others, could never have been artificial. 

(Continued next message...)
"If you will practice being fictional for a while, you will understand that 
fictional characters are someties more real than people with bodies and 
heartbeats."
_ILLUSIONS, THE RELUCTANT MESSIAH - Richard Bach       

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  Msg#: 17825                                        Date: 08-05-96  18:20
  From: Jane Segal                                   Read: Yes    Replied: No 
    To: Phil Clarke                                  Mark:                     
  Subj: Re: Atlantis
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(Continued from previous message...)
Nevertheless I must say what I was told.  It was excavated to the depth 
of a hundred feet, and its breadth was a stadium everywhere; it was 
carried round the whole of the plain, and was ten thousand stadia in 
length.  It received the streams which came down from the mountains, and 
winding round the plain and meeting at the city, was there let off into 
the sea.  Further inland, likewise, straight canals of a hundred feet in 
width were cut from it through the plain, and again let off into the 
ditch leading to the sea: these canals were at intervals of a hundred 
stadia, and by them they brought down the wood from the mountains to the 
city, and conveyed the fruits of the earth in ships, cutting transverse 
passages from one canal into another, and to the city.  Twice in the 
year they gathered the fruits of the earth-in winter having the benefit 
of the rains of heaven, and in summer the water which the land supplied 
by introducing the streams from the canals.

continued....

"If you will practice being fictional for a while, you will understand that 
fictional characters are someties more real than people with bodies and 
heartbeats."
_ILLUSIONS, THE RELUCTANT MESSIAH - Richard Bach       

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  Msg#: 17826                                        Date: 08-05-96  18:20
  From: Jane Segal                                   Read: Yes    Replied: No 
    To: Phil Clarke                                  Mark:                     
  Subj: Re: Atlantis
ÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄ
Part 3

Plato then tells of the population, the armed forces, with their 
10,000chariots and 1,200 ships, the laws of Atlantis and their 
administration.  In discussing "the vast power which the god settled in 
the lost island of Atlantis," Plato says the virtues of the people of 
Atlantis remained great as long as the divine element lasted in them.  
But, he says:

"when the divine portion began to fade away, and became diluted too 
often and too much with the mortal admixture, and the human nature got 
the upper hand, they then, being unable to bear their fortune, behaved 
unseemly, and to him who had an eye to see, grew visibly debased, for 
they were losing the fairest of their precious gifts; but to those who 
had no eye to see the true happiness they appeared glorious and blessed 
at the very time when they were full of avarice and unrighteous power."

"If you will practice being fictional for a while, you will understand that 
fictional characters are someties more real than people with bodies and 
heartbeats."
_ILLUSIONS, THE RELUCTANT MESSIAH - Richard Bach       

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