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  Subj: Alt.Satanism FAQ [1/5]
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                           THE ALT.SATANISM FAQ
                    last major revision; July 20, 1994
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     Many groups of a `controversial' nature have noticed that new
readers often come up with the same questions, misstatements or
misconceptions and post them to the net.  The purpose of this file is
to prevent continual restatement of previously debated--often several
times debated--topics.
     This isn't to say that these things are not subject to further
debate.  It is to say that these things *have* been considered by the
readers here.  If you have something significant to add to the debate
on a particular topic then please do post.

     Contributors to date are:

                         Semhaza (The Antichrist)
                   Shaitaneth Baphomet (The Adversary)
                              Graeme Wilson
                                 Balanone
                              Peggy Nadramia
                         Frater (I) Nigris (666)
                             Lupo the Butcher



              Frequently Asked "Questions" of Alt.Satanism:

1.   What is Satanism?
2.   What is _The Satanic Bible_?
3.   Satanic Organizations?
3.1  The Church of Satan
3.2  The Order of the Left Hand Path
3.3  The Order of Nine Angles
3.4  The Fraternity of Baelder
4.   Satan is a Christian God!
     You aren't Satanists, just nasty atheists!
5.   Aren't Satanists ritualistic baby murderers?
6.   Do Satanists have orgies?  If so, where do I sign up?
7.   What is Xian?  COS?  TOS?  TSB?  OT?  NT?
     Do you say "Xian" rather than "Christian" in order to insult
     Christianity?
8.   Have you considered the message of _The Bible_?
9.   For the Christians among us:  should you feel inclined to preach.
     You are all going to hell.
     Jesus saves!
10.  Satanic Music?
11.  What is a Black Mass?
12.  How can I get more information about Satanism?
13.  Where can I get suplies?


1.  What is Satanism?  At first glance this may look like a simple
question to answer:  "Go look it up in the dictionary." would seem to
be straightforward enough.  In fact, I'll do it for you:

        Satanism, n.  1.  the worship of Satan or the powers
        of evil.  2.  a travesty of Christian rites in which
        Satan is worshipped.  3.  diabolical or satanic
        disposition, behavior, or action.
        [from _Webster's Encyclopedic Unabridged Dictionary
        of the English Language_, (c) 1989]

     Unfortunately it's not that easy.  There is no one set of beliefs
that comprise Satanism.  Because there is no set of doctrines or
scriptures agreed upon by a majority of Satanists, would-be
practitioners must define their beliefs for themselves, based upon a
minimum of shared information.  The issue is further confused by the
fact that, historically, most records of real or imagined Satanism
have been made by Satanists' traditional enemies, Christians.  However
a few generalizations can be made:  the average Satanist disagrees
with much of Christianity, believes in no absolute moral code, and
places emphasis on the individual and personal rights.  If you think
this sounds like Libertarianism, you're right; many Satanists consider
themselves Libertarians or feel close to the party on social issues.
     The one unifying theme among the Satanisms is the last of the
three definitions; one can say with some certainty that all Satanisms
and Satanists have diabolical or satanic dispositions in that they are
"like Satan." They possess the virtues of antinomianism,
self-reliance, rebellion and adversarialism.
     There are several divisions one could make as to the belief
systems of various "Satanic" groups.  This (arbitrary) division was
included to point out various currents or influences in modern day
satanism rather than an attempt at categorization.

        1.  The Dabblers:  adopt Satanic trappings for a
            brief period of time, usually for entertainment
            rather than serious purposes.  Many modern youths
            fall into this category.
        2. Churches of Satan:  are patterned after the
           teachings of Anton LaVey.  These groups believe in
           individualism, gratification of the ego,
           self-reliance and the ideal of the Nietzchean
           Superman.  These groups use Magick as a tool for
           earthly power.  They see Satan as the driving
           force behind achievment in mankind.
        3. Gnostics: can be divided into two major categories
           A. Promethian Gnostics:  Believe in a literal
              "Satan", but believe that the creator of the
              world (Jehovah) is the evil deity.  Satan is
              seen as the "bringer of light"; a beneficient
              god.  This is an old "heresy" seen in groups
              such as the Yezidis.
           B. Dark Gnostics:  Worship the dark force in
              nature.  These groups follow the whims of a
              capricious god, which most westerners would see
              as being "evil."  There are a few historical
              christian heresies which would fall into this
              category.  Kali worshippers could also be
              categorized here.
        4.  Secondary Satanists:  follow a faith outside the
            Christian mainstream.  Most would not consider
            themselves as being "Satanic" and strictly
            speaking should not be defined as satanists (as
            per se with some of the Gnostic groups), but the
            ignorant often categorize them as Satanists.
            Voodoun and Santiera could be grouped here, as
            could medeaval witchcraft (if it actually
            existed).  Certain forms of Tantric Buddism could
            also be placed in this category.
        5. Hellfire Clubs:  Were a phenomenon of the 18th
           century.  The first of these was founded by the
           Duke of Wharton in the early 1700's.  Most
           infamous was sir Francis Dashwood's Medmenham club
           (Often incorrectly called the hellfire club).
           Dashwood was a close freind of Benjamin Franklin,
           who may have been a member of this group.
           Franklin's description of the Medmeham club's
           secret chambers is one of the few we have, so his
           membership seems likely.  In any case, Dashwood
           and Franklin co-authored the "Franklin Prayer
           Book" (often called the Book of Common Prayer)
           which is commonly used in America.  Another famous
           member of the Medmanham club was the Earl of
           Sandwich, inventor of (guess what) the Sandwich.
           Hellfire clubs were exclusive groups dedicated to
           much political intrigue, partying, and some
           occasional occult activities.
        6. Romantic/Promethean Satanists:
           Literary/historical "Satanists" such as William
           Blake, Charles Baudelaire, Maupertin, Lautremont
           and Gabriele D'Annunzio.
        7. Left-Hand Path Pagans:  There are several European
           groups, most of them consisting of small "covens"
           of several people, that are or could be considered
           Satanists.  Two of the larger of these groups are
           The Fraternity of Baelder and the Order of Nine
           Angles (ONA).  These groups allegedly have longer
           traditions, and "more authentic" origins (whatever
           that might mean).  ONA is especially fond of
           calling itself the "traditional Satanists."  These
           groups tend to have more "extreme" views than the
           others mentioned, and have little, if any
           authoritarian structure.  Some allege these groups
           do not exist, but they answer my mail.

2.  What is _The Satanic Bible_?  _The Satanic Bible_ is a book
describing the philosophy of Anton LaVey, founder of the Church of
Satan.  This organization holds the view that there is no higher god
than oneself, and that one should worship accordingly.  Life is the
Great Indulgence and Death is the Great Abstinence, as there is no
afterlife.  The basic ideas of _The Satanic Bible_ are laid out in the
Nine Satanic Statements:

        1.  Satan represents indulgence, instead of
            abstinence!
        2.  Satan represents vital existence, instead of
            spiritual pipe dreams!
        3.  Satan represents undefiled wisdom, instead of
            hypocritical self-deceit!
        4.  Satan represents kindness to those who deserve
            it, instead of love wasted on ingrates!
        5.  Satan represents vengeance, instead of turning
            the other cheek!
        6.  Satan represents responsibility to the
            responsible, instead of concern for psychic
            vampires!
        7.  Satan represents man as just another animal,
            sometimes better than, more often worse than
            those that walk on all fours, who, because of his
            "divine spiritual and intellectual development,"
            has become the most vicious animal of all!
        8.  Satan represents all of the so-called sins, as
            they all lead to physical, mental, or emotional
            gratification!
        9.  Satan has been the best friend the church has
            ever had, as he has kept it in business all these
            years!

_The Satanic Bible_ can be found (in America) in most chain bookstores
in the New Age, Philosophy, or Religion sections.
     Many non-U.S. readers have written that _The Satanic Bible_ is
not available in their country for various reasons.  I suggest dealing

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with The Abyss bookstore (Address & phone# listed at the end of the
FAQ) or writing/phoning the publisher directly.  (Special thanx to the
Italian fellow who came up with these addresses & phonenumbers)

        Avon Books
        1350 Ave. of the Americas, 2nd Fl.
        New York, NY10019
        TEL.: 212-261-6800
        TOLL FREE: 800-238-0658

        Ordering info:
        Dist by: Hearst Corp., International Circulation Div
        New York, NY 10019
        TEL.: 212-649-4474
        TOLL FREE: 800-223-0288

        Orders to:
        P.O. Box 767
        Dresden, TN 38225
        TOLL FREE: 800-223-0690

     Members of a certain group have noticed that much of the Satanic
Bible is plagiarized from various sources; the above-quoted "Nine
Satanic Statements" are condensed from a passage in Ayn Rands _Atlas
Shrugged_ and the "Book of Satan" is plagiarized from Ragnar
Redbeard's _Might is Right_.  In this, the SB seems similar to the
texts of most other religions; also plagiarized from earlier sources;
the Tao Te Ching, the Xian Bible and the Koran being obvious examples.

3.   Satanic Organizations?  Some may be interested in joining some
kind of organization of like minded individuals.  Most Satanists will
agree that organizations are best when least intrusive on the
individual, and would recommend caution in joining or associating with
any group, including (and perhaps especially) those mentioned in the
FAQ.  Some useful "common sense" cautions for the potential neophyte
Satanist; Don't let anyone tell you what to believe, or what to do.
Advice or recommendations are one thing; orders or commands quite
another.  Remember that you are a free being, not a pawn in someones
power fantasy.  Trust your feelings; if you feel you may be the victim
of a working of Lesser Black Magick, you probably are (in some sense).
     It is important to realize that all organizations, Satanic and
otherwise, are _dangerous_; by their very nature they have more
available physical, economic and psychological resources than the
individual who would interact with them, hence one should exercise
caution in one's dealings with any organization or one could find
oneself with less freedom, a destroyed reputation, legal troubles, or
worse.
     With this in mind; several of the more important Satanic
organizations:

3.1 The Church of Satan

     The Church of Satan can be contacted at:

        Church of Satan
        P.O. Box 210082
        San Francisco, CA 94121

     $100 will get you a lifetime membership.  Some people question
whether the term "Satanism" is appropriate for the Church's beliefs,
due to its atheistic stance.  Since the Church has been in existence
for over 20 years its definition is probably here to stay, although it
isn't the only definition.
     The ideas and philosophy of the Church of Satan may be best
discerned by reading _The Satanic Bible_ by Anton Szandor LaVey (Avon
Books, New York, NY).
     (From Peggy Nadramia):  In modern parlance, the Church of Satan
may be called a user-driven organization.  Members are involved and
advanced exactly as their own desires, abilities and accomplishments
dictate.  There are no set activities, meetings or contacts.  The new
member comes to the organization, ideally, with his own goals and
plans for achieving them; he presents them to us and is directed in
the way that would be most mutually beneficial.  The CoS is not
looking for people who join and want us to "put on a show," taking
them by the hand, introducing them to their new friends, telling them
what time to show up for the weekly get-together and what to wear.
Satanists are not put in contact automatically, or by geographical
proximity; this has been tried and found a failure.  True elitists are
by their nature very individualistic and neighboring members won't
necessarily have anything in common; "just being Satanists together"
isn't enough.  When we observe members making advances on their own in
their chosen fields of endeavor, we will put them in contact with
other members running on the same track; we've watched this happen
many times and we're pleased and proud to say the results are magical.
There are also members who are satisfied simply to join and be counted
among the adherents to a philosophy that best embodies their own true
nature.
     An excellent introduction to the philosophies of the Church of
Satan is available at ftp.lysator.liu.se in
pub/satanism/General/what_is.
     nadramia@panix.com is the CoS online representative.

3.2  The Order of the Left Hand Path

     The Ordo Sinistra Vivendi (OSV), formerly the Order of the Left
Hand Path (OLHP) is a non-sectarian, non-dogmatic forum of
philosophers and occultists.  It was started in New Zealand a number
of years ago by Faustus Scorpius.  The purpose of the OSV, as per the
Order's constitution, is as follows:

        1. The OSV is an elitist Satanic Order existing to:
           (a) Develop and actualize the full potential and
               inner qualities of each indiviual initiate;
           (b) Herald the dawn of human Self-godhood, within
               the context of a Faustian Civilization.

     OSV publish a quarterly magazine called _The Heretic_ (a
combination of two former magazines, _The Watcher_ and _The Realist_).
They also publish a wide variety of literature, including the _Liber
Diabolus_ (which contains the Order's main rituals, _The Covenant of
Samyaza_ - a reworking of _The Book of Enoch_, and various
philosophical essays by Faustus Scorpius).
     The OSV operate 3 degrees (via correspondence), Neophyte, Adept,
and Priest/ess. The Neophyte and Adept courses are fairly simple and
are mainly to assist in determining what sort of person is seeking
affiliation.  Entry into the priesthood by an Adept is at the
invitation of the Magister only, in order to keep membership standards
high.
     A great deal of emphasis is placed on the Nietzschean concept of
'Self-Overcoming' as the basis of individual self-realization.
     Contact points are being set up in all the main centres in New
Zealand:  Wellington (The Capital of NZ), Auckland, Christchurch and
Dunedin.
     The OSV welcomes all sincere seekers after wisdom undefiled and
students of those hidden depths of the human psyche and cosmos which
may properly be called 'occult'.
     For all enquiries write to:

        O.S.V.
        P.O. Box 38-262
        Petone
        Wellington
        New Zealand

Or send netmail to:  gwilson@earthlight.co.nz
           Fidonet:  Graeme Wilson @ 3:770/510

[Note: The OSV has archived material at ftp.lysator.liu.se
pub/religion/satanism/OLHP]

3.3 The Order of Nine Angles

     The Order of Nine Angles (ONA), based in England, are probably
the most controversial Satanic group that is around at present.  Their
aims and intents, and indeed their teachings, seem to me misunderstood
and perhaps feared by many people, including some other Satanic
groups.
     The ONA claim the title of 'traditional Satanists' and claim to
have been around for well over one hundred years.  The system they
follow is known as the Septenary tradition, 'the seven-fold Way'.
     'Physis' is divided into seven stages, which represent the
varying degrees of insight attained; the stages representing
Initiation, Second Degree Initiation, External Adept, Internal Adept,
Master/Mistress (or High Priest/Priestess), Magus, and Immortal.  Much
of the work is very practical.
     A great and refreshing aspect to ONA is 'The Star Game' which has
three main functions:

        (1) Development of higher levels of consciousness.
        (2) A new form of magickal working for the 21st
            Century and beyond.
        (3) Development of certain 'magickal' skills, aiding
            mindfullness, concentration and visualization.

Some ONA literature:

        The Black Book of Satan (Volumes 1-3)
        Naos - A Practical Guide to Modern Magick
        Hostia (Volumes 1-3)
        Hysteron Proteron - Inner teachings of the ONA
        The Sinister Tarot - 21 full color representations
                of the major Arcana
        The Satanic Letters of Stephen Brown (Volumes 1-2)
        The Deofel Quartet:
                Volume i. Falcifer, Lord of Darkness
                Volume ii. Temple of Satan
                Volume iii. The Giving
                Volume iv. The Greyling Owl
        The Self-Immolation Rite (Audio Cassette) - Pathworking
        Fenrir - Journal of Satanism & The Sinister

     Whatever rumours are told about the ONA one should check them out
for themselves.  Whether you agree with them or not, they certainly
live up to the name 'Satanists'.
     Anyone interested in the above should contact:

        Rigel Press
        PO Box 228, York
        England

(Note: the ftp site ftp.lysator.liu.se has two files written by the
ONA; pub/religion/satanism/General/introduction and ~/t21sp)

3.4 The Fraternity of Baelder

     The Fraternity of Baelder section is under construction pending

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new information.  Address given in section 13 of the FAQ.

4.  Satan is a Christian God!  You aren't Satanists, just nasty
atheists!  Most (probably all) religions have gods or demons that
represent the principle of adversity:  that which is forbidden by
society.  Satan is one among these, originally conceived by the
Hebrews long before the birth of Jesus.  The name first appears (in
_The Bible_, at any rate) in the book of Job.  Satan was a fallen
angel, not a god, in the monotheistic religions of Christianity and
Islam.
     "Satan" is understood by most Satanists in a context different
than that of Christian theology.  Satan is a powerful archetype, to
the Euro-American Usenet majority at least, bringing to mind such
things as sexuality, power, individualism and control over one's
destiny.
     The Satanist can choose what s/he likes from the varied
portrayals of Satan, and may add principles of adversity from other
cultures as well.

5.  Aren't Satanists ritualistic baby murderers?  Some misleading
reports exist about Satanists:  they are organized into nationwide
cults; they commit ritual murders on a grand scale; they raise their
children with psychological disorders; they kidnap people for blood
sacrifice; they organize day-care centers and abuse the children
placed in their care.  A whole class of books exists detailing the
exploits of these Satanic groups.
     The problem with all these works is that they are fictional
rather than truthful accounts.  Much is claimed based on scanty
evidence that would be better explained by another scenario.  Claims
of involvement with Satanism are made by patients under hypnosis
(hypnotized subjects are notorious for their suggestibility and
tendency to produce fictions).  Other "former Satanists" distort the
truth in search of attention and money.  These sensationalists never
go to the police regarding the criminal activities they allegedly took
part in, which calls the veracity of their claims and the sincerity of
their remorse into question.
     Evidence does not exist to support what is said to occur.  If the
number of murders said to be committed by Satanists was accurate, some
bodies should have been found by now.  While means have been suggested
by which bodies could be concealed, it stretches the imagination to
believe that every body has been successfully hidden thus.  Evidence
in other areas is similarly lacking.
     Individuals investigating suspected Satanic crimes misinterpret
what they find to fit their expectations.  The _Necronomicon_,
published by Avon Books, is used as an authoritative guide to Satanic
practices.  Yet few Satanists take the book seriously in any way, and
none follow it to the letter.  This and other things lead some
non-Satanists to see what simply is not there.
     The observant reader may note that there have been a few crimes
linked to Satanism.  In all cases the criminal(s) worked alone with no
connections to other groups.  Some cases have been publicized by the
media as being related to Satanism when in fact they involve another
religion, as in the Matamoros case, which involved some elements of
Palo Mayombe (an African religion), and some rituals taken from
popular motion pictures.
     The lesson to be learned is that although a book may appear in
the "Non-fiction" section of a bookstore, that doesn't make it so.
     There is a copy of an FBI report on "occult crime" archived at
ftp.lysator.liu.se pub/religion/satanism/Crime/satanic_crime which
shows what the FBI thinks of the claims of fundamentalists.  There is
also a good file on the subject at the same site
pub/religion/satanism/General/general.
     The most definative book to date on the topic of rumors of
Satanic cults involved in ritual murder/abuse is _Satanic Panic; the
Creation of a Contemporary Legend_ by Jeffry S. Victor. Open Court
Press, 1992.

6.  Do Satanists have orgies?  If so, where do I sign up?  Hmmm...I
trust that some do, but I have been unable to locate any as of yet.

7.  What is Xian?  COS?  TOS?  TSB?  Do you say "Xian" rather than
"Christian" in order to insult Christianity?  Some users in this and
other newsgroups find themselves discussing Christianity frequently.
In order to cut down on keystrokes they type "Xian" and "Xianity"
rather than the longer versions.  A few users may intend it partly as
a slur, but most do it only for convenience.  The abbreviation itself
is far from insulting; it is accepted and used by many Christians
including (We are told) the Pope.
     A few other abbreviations occur frequently in this newsgroup.
They are normally defined in a conversation, but here they are for
your convenience:

        CoS = Church of Satan
        CS  = Church of Satan
        ToS = Temple of Set
        TS  = Temple of Set
        TSB = _The Satanic Bible_
        OT  = Old Testament
        NT  = New Testament
        OLHP = Order of the Left Hand Path
        OSV = Ordo Sinistra Vivendi
        ONA = Order of the Nine Angles

8.  Have you considered the message of _The Bible_?  Yes.  Most
Satanists, along with most other members of Western cultures, are
familiar with the teachings of Christianity and many have read _The
Bible_ or part of it.  They simply consider _The Bible_ to be false
and disregard it much like Christians would disregard books which
represent the foundation of another religion.  Attempting to discuss
Christianity will, in most cases, only get you flamed and not inform
the Satanist of "something they didn't know".  If you are still
tempted to post about _The Bible_ because you feel that we may have
missed an important point, I suggest you seek out and read the
alt.atheism FAQ (found in news.answers) before proceeding.  Many of
its points are applicable to alt.satanism.

9.  For the Christians among us:  should you feel inclined to preach.
You are all going to hell.  Jesus saves!  Quite often, members of
fundamentalist Christian groups see fit to post various evangelical
messages in alt.satanism.  The reason for this is not clear.  It has
been suggested by various members of this net, who I shall lump under
the convenient category of "Satanist," that the reason for this
posturing is that many (perhaps most) Born-Again Christian types are
closet masochists.  It has also been suggested that Christians need to
save a certain number of souls to get a good seat in paradise, similar
in spirit to selling candy-bars or magazines to fund various
extra-curricular activities in school.  Presumably Satanist souls,
being sold to the devil already, are worth more points.
     While these theories have some merit, considering the teachings
of their (allegedly) chosen religion, an attempt should be made to be
open-minded enough to see their side of things.
     Many Christians, when asked why they do this, respond something
to the effect that it is charity, something they do out of the
goodness of their hearts, out of concern for people etc. etc.  Well,
if the Christian is really concerned with people, why not preach to
those who have not heard the message?  Most "Satanists" are well
acquainted with the messages of Christianity.  They have been preached
to ad infinitum, and are fed up with it.  That is part of the reason
they are Satanists instead of plain old agnostics.  Many Satanists are
angered by such posts, and justifiably so.
     Now consider this:  You will never convert a Satanist over
USENET.  You either 1) are too infuriating; or 2) look like a fool.
There is NO logical reason to convert to Christianity.  The only
appeals are to the emotions, and as stated before they either look
foolish or infuriating.  Things like, "But Jesus LOVES you; he died
for your sins!" or "Your soul is in danger!" are appeals to guilt and
fear respectively; not reason.  As most Satanists have chosen this
path out of reason, these appeals will never work.  As for those
Satanists who are so for emotional reasons, their minds are as closed
as that of the Born-again Christian.  Perhaps, if indeed preaching is
done for humanitarian, and not egotistical or masochistic reasons,
your energies are better spent educating those who know little of your
faith:  those born atheistic, communists, buddhists etc.  If, as
suspected, your purposes are more egotistical (look reverend; I
converted a Satanist!) forget it.  There are no "lost souls," waiting
to be found in this community.
     For the masochistically inclined, we suggest self-flagellation.
It costs less disk space, is probably more satisfying, and is
certainly less offensive to the general public.
     Otherwise; GROWL!  BOOGA BOOGA!  HASTUR, ASTAROTH, LEVIATHAN
ISHTAR!!!!!!!!!  XILKA XILKA!  BESA BESA!  go away already...

10.  Satanic Music
     This section under construction

11.  What is a Black Mass?
     (Balanone):  Permit me to provide some education concerning the
Satanic use of the Black Mass.
        1) Anyone can perform any ritual at any time.  The
           Catholic Church requires the celebrant of any mass
           to be a Priest of that Church.  Satanism doesn't
           recognize any of the rules or expectations of the
           Catholics (or any group of Christians), and so
           hey don't care who  might happen to be the
           celebrant.
        2) When looked at as black theatre in today's
           strongly Christianized society, the black mass is
           a fun ritual. I participated in one years ago, as
           a Halloween presentation, before an audience.  The
           three of us doing most of the "work" in the ritual
           had read up on it a little, but only one of us had
           any Catholic background (I have no Christian
           background at all, having been raised Jewish, and
           the third one had been raised Mormon; none of us
           had reached any level of clergy or even
           near-clergy in any traditional religion).  The
           living altar was not a Satanist, and sought her
           part only for the experience and showmanship (she
           was the hostess of the party at which the play was
           offered).  None of the rest of the audience was
           Satanic, and a goodly number were Christians of
           one sort or another.  The presentation bothered
           three of the audience strongly enough that they
           walked out.  The others may have been bothered a
           little (good theatre does try to reach into
           people), but they generally enjoyed the
           presentation, and had no problem talking with us
           about it afterwards.
        3) The personal black mass happens to be a very
           strong ritual used by many to leave their Catholic
           backgrounds behind.  The individual involved must
           be the primary celebrant, doing whatever is
           necessary to break free of the chains and shackles
           of the religion being left behind.
        4) There is no devil worship in any Satanic black
           mass.  Except for some examples of the theatre I

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           mention in item 2 above, every modern Satanic
           black mass that I've read about (including the
           detailed texts of several) or heard about centers
           on freeing the individual from the shackles of
           Christianity, and on denying any value to the
           so-called Jesus Christ, to the point of ridicule
           and derision.  None of them have any significant
           reference to Satan, devil, or demon at all, under
           any name.

12.  How can I get more information about Satanism?  [Lupo's note; in
addition to the sites mentioned above
ftp.netcom.com/pub/caw/Info/mage-guide2 has the mages guide to the
Internet, which is an excellent resource.  The nic.funet.fi files are
in the path pub/doc/religion/occult/magick/thelema (this is the
original slopoke tree moved to funet).

        Recommended Reading:
        o _The Satanic Bible_, by Anton Szander LaVey, Avon
          Books, 1969.  Presents the Satanic views and
          doctrines of the Church of Satan, along with an
          introduction to its rituals.
        o _The Compleat Witch_ (the new edition is called
          _The Satanic Witch_), by Anton LaVey, Lancer Books,
          1971.
        o _The Satanic Rituals_, by Anton LaVey, University
          Books, 1972.  More books discussing LaVey's brand
          of Satanism.
        o _The Black Arts_, by Richard Cavendish, Perigee
          Books (Putnam), 1967.  An objective introduction to
          magic, demonology, and classical views of Satanism.
        o _The Necronomicon_ [by the Mad Arab], Avon Books,
          1977.  Purported ritual book of great efficacy.
          Generally regarded as fiction interspersed with
          translations of Mesopotamian texts.  Mileage may
          vary, depending on how seriously you take babble.
          This is included mainly because of its availablity
          and popularity; I actually strongly recommend that
          you do _not_ buy this.  Much information on books
          of this name is available
        o _The Necronomicon_ edited by George Hay 1978.  This
          is a more "Lovecraftian" Necronomicon which closely
          follows what Lovecraft said was contained in the
          famous book of the Mad Arab.  It is, of course,
          fiction, but much more fun than the Avon book in
          that it does not take itself so seriously.  Scoob
          publishing is supposed to have a R'lyeh text in the
          works as a sequel to this.
        o _The Secret Life of a Satanist_ by Blanche Barton,
          Mondo Press.  The authorized biography of Anton
          LaVey, and a basic guide to Satanic philosophy.
          This book has been largely discredited as a serious
          biography by an article in the 9/5/91 issue of
          _Rolling Stone_.
        o _The Church of Satan_ by Blanche Barton.  The CoS
          authorized book on the topic.
        o _The Second Coming_, by Arthur Lyons, 1970  [out of
          print]  A history of Satanism through the Middle
          Ages and the modern era.
        o _Do What You Will_ by Geoffry Ashe.  A history of
          philosophers & groups who use this thelemic motto.
          Especially nice history of the "Hellfire Clubs"
        o _The Prince of Darkness_ by Jeffrey Burton Russell,
          Cornell University Press, 1988.  Historian's work
          on the history of Satan from earliest history
          through the twentieth century.  A summary of a
          four-book series (The Devil, Satan, Lucifer, and
          Mephistopheles, by the same author) which may be
          too much reading for casual interest.
        o _The Old Enemy_ by Neil Forsyth, Princeton
          University Press, 1987.  Another history of Satan
          focusing on the Middle East and early Christianity.
        o _Satan Wants You_, by Arthur Lyons, Mysterious
          Press (Warner), 1988.  Presents an overview of
          Satanism and the history of Satan, plus an in-depth
          look at popular misconceptions.
        o _The Occult_ by Colin Wilson.  An excellent
          objective introduction to the history of the
          subject.
        o _The History of the Church of Satan_ by Michael
          Aquino.  Probably the definative work on the topic;
          it is unavailable to the general public due to
          various copyright laws.  It may be available to
          historians and scholars through the Temple of Set.
        o _The Devil in Legend and Literature_ by Maximillian
          Rudwin.  Open Court Press, Chicago 1931.
        o _Satanic Panic; the Creation of a Contemporary
          Legend_ by Jeffry S. Victor.  Open Court Press,
          1992.  This book is an excellent debunking of the
          many "evil satanist" rumors and legends that abound
          in rural and mainstream America.  It shows the
          similarities between these rumors, and those of
          the inquisition, European anti-semetism, and the
          McCarthy red-scares.
        o _The Satan Seller_, Mike Warnke's imagination,
          Logos International, 1972.  A Christian presents
          his alleged experiences in a Satanic cult before
          his conversion to Christianity.  Has been exposed
          by fundamentalist journalists as a fraud.
        o _Cornerstone_, Volume 21, number 98, "Selling
          Satan," Jon Trott & Mike Hertenstein, 1992.  This
          gets *highest* recommendation.  From a Christian
          magazine which does a great job of discrediting
          Mike Warnke's accounts mentioned in _The Satan
          Seller_ and elsewhere.
        o _Satanism: The Seduction of America's Youth_, Bob
          Larson, Thomas Nelson Publishers, 1989.  The facts
          on the *conspiracy* now coming to a lonely town
          near you!!! (You're reading the FAQ, so it's
          already here!) [Lupo note:  Apparently Bob Larson
          is going down the tubes faster than Warnke.  See
          relevant files from Scott Mikusko, available via
          FTP-mail by sending the message
          get \religion\garg\misc\larson\larson.zip to:
          server@garg.campbell.ca.us]

     Following are a number of works recommended dealing with
Satanism's links with crime, multiple personality disorder, etc.

        o _The Satanism Scare_, ed. James T. Richardson, Joel
          Best, and David G. Bromley (NY: Aldine, 1991):
          145-172.  [Lupo note; though I have not yet read
          this book, the authors of the essays herin are
          enough to recommend this book]
        o _Battle for the Mind_, by William Sargent, Harper &
          Row, 1957.
        o _In Pursuit Of Satan_, by Robert D. Hicks
          (Prometheus Books)
        o _Satanism In America_, issued by the Committee for
          the Scientific Examination of Religion.
        o "Occult Crime:  A Law Enforcement Primer"  [To
          obtain a copy of this report, write to:
                California Office of Criminal Justice Planning
                1130 K Street, Suite 300
                Sacramento, CA 95814
          (Phone: (916) 324-9100).  Request the "Research
          Update, Special Edition, Winter 1989-1990, Volume
          1, Number 6" issue.  No mention is made of a
          donation, but it may be useful to inquire
          beforehand.]
        o _Snapping; America's Epidemic of Sudden Personality
          Change_ by Flo Conway & Jim Siegelman.  An
          interesting work utilizing information theory in
          the study of sudden personality change as occurs in
          religious cults, and the "Born-Again" phenomenon.
        o _Paradise Lost_ by John Milton.  An epic poem
          telling the tale of Lucifer from when he is thrown
          out of heaven, to the Fall of Adam and Eve.  It
          makes Lucifer into a heroic figure, whilst God is
          made out to be a little vague and weak.
        o _The Divine Comedy_ by Dante.  Another epic poem in
          three parts (Inferno, Purgatorio and Paradisio)
          covering the author's pilgrimage through them.
        o _La-Bas (Down There)_ by J. K. Huysmans (1891?)
          translated by Keene Wallace.  Semi-fictional novel
          of the occult and the black mass in late nineteenth
          century Paris.
        o H. P. Lovecraft, collected works.  Classic horror
          fiction that has served as inspiration for many
          Satanists.
        o Frederick Nietzsche, various works.  Nietzschean
          philosophies form the core of Satanism.  Much of
          the _Satanic Bible_ owes its philosophical and
          literary roots to works such as _Thus Spoke
          Zarastrutha_ and _The Anti-Christ_ by Nietzsche.
        o _Man and Technics_ by Oswald Spengler.  An
          extension of Nietzsches philosophy to the modern
          age; Spengler's philosophy is condensed into this
          small book; a must read.  (Study of the voluminous
          _The Decline of Western Civilization_ may prove
          useful to those interested in theories of history
          and politics)
        o Gabriele D'Annunzio, various works.  One of the
          greatest Italian writers of all time, D'Annunzio
          was a living archetype of the Nietzschean
          "Ubermensch."
        o _Cosmic Trigger_ by Robert A. Wilson.  This book
          describes various initiations and occult phenomena
          experienced by Mr. Wilson.  Good for promoting
          open-mindedness.  Wilson writes some great fiction
          as well in his "Illuminatus" books.
        o _Apocalypse Culture_ collected by Adam Parfey.  A
          shocking work, depicting the worldviews of various
          "fringe" sects and individuals, ranging from
          necrophiliacs to ultra-right wing Christians.  Has
          an article by LaVey.
        o _TAZ (Temporary Autonomous Zone)_ by Hakim Bey,
          Autonomedia 1991.  Generally considered the
          manifesto of the emerging anarchic cyber-culture.
          A manual for freedom in the coming (or present,
          depending on who you talk to) dark age of Airstrip
          one.  Described by RA Wilson as "A Blake Angel on
          Bad Acid."
        o _Might is Right_ by Ragnar Redbeard (Loompanics,
          Port Townsend Wash).  Part of the _Satanic Bible_
          taken from this, the full work is occasionally

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          uproarious fun, occasionally offensive to "modern"
          sensibilities.
        o _Who Wrote the Bible?_, by Richard Elliott
          Friedman, Harper & Row, 1987.  A biblical scholar
          attempts to answer the question of the title, and
          in the process comes up with some interesting
          reasons for events in _The Bible_ (why does Moses
          have horns?  Why the scene with the golden calf?).
          An interesting read, and possibly amusing for the
          cynic.
        o _The Dead Sea Scrolls_.  There are many good books
          on this subject for those who need to debunk
          Christianity historically as well as
          philosophically.  Among them:  _Dead Sea Scrolls &
          the Bible_ by Roland E. Murphy (a Roman Catholic at
          that) 1968.  _A Crack in the Jar; What ancient
          Jewish Documents tell us about the New Testament_
          by Niel Fujita (also a Christian scholar) 1986.
          _The Dead Sea Scrolls and the Christian Myth_ by
          John Allegro (one of the original Dead Sea
          Scholars) 1984.  Note that all of the above
          scholars are of the old school of scroll study.
          While all do a good job of debunking Christianity,
          the latest generation of scholarly works is even
          more damning.
        o _Testament_ by John Romer (Henry Holt, NY 1988).
          Considered an excellent and well balanced work on
          Biblical history-also a PBS mini-series available
          on video cassette.

13. Where can I get supplies?  There are several "occult
bookstores" who do mail order.  Some are listed below;

        The Abyss
        RR1 Box 213
        Chester MA 01011-9735
        413-623-2155  (FAX 413-623-2156)

[comment by Lupo; This is where _I_ obtained most of my books.  They
have much that is of interest to the occultist.  The catalogue is
outstanding and much of the merchandise is underpriced.  Excellent
section of Crowley material, a decent LHP section, good selection of
various occult merchendise & books of all kinds.  Highly recommended]


        Loompanics Unlimited
        PO Box 1197
        Port Townsend, WA 98368

[Carries many books on forbidden topics, unobtainable elsewhere. ]


        Occultic Haven
        PO Box 257
        Johnson City, TENN 37605

[Exclusively LHP distributers, They have a small selection of LHP
literature, swords/knives, candles, jewelry & several items that may
be unobtainable elsewhere.  No experience with orders so YMMV]


        Ancient Ways, Modern Means
        An online Occult Supplier; contact tyagi@HouseOfKaos.Abyss.com
for more details.


'Zines:  (note; the Watcher is archived at funet and lysator ftp
sites)  Also, I have not included prices of these 'zines for various
reasons (mostly greed on my part)- they usually run around $5 per
issue.  A later edition of the FAQ will include price listings &
self-descriptions of these groups will be archived.

        The Black Flame (Journal of the Church of Satan)
        P.O. Box 499
        Radio City Station
        N.Y., N.Y. 10101

[Extremely useful review section, eclectic articles.  Hells Kitchen
Productions is also at this address-they have certain items that may
be unobtainable elsewhere.]


     _ABRASAX #4_ A magazine published by the American Gnostic
Church.  Issue #4 is dedicated to Satan & satanic matters generally.
They can be reached at:

        American Gnostic Church
        PO BOX 1219
        Corpus Christi, TX, 78403-1219


        Fraternity of Baelder [Name of group, not 'zine]
        c/o Stephen Cox
        60 Elmhurst Road
        Reading, Berks
        RG15HY
        England, UK

[LHP "pagans" -interests include Sports Magick, Shamanism, Rune
Magick, Western mythology & etc.]


        Black Jackal (Embassat of Lucifer)
        P.O. Box 998
        Stewart, British Columbia
        VOT 1WO Canada

[Lupo Comments; I know little of this 'zine; the _Black Flame_ gives
it good reviews. YMMV]


        Dark Cycle; Australian Journal of Occultism
        P.O. Box 1639
        Chatswood NSW 2057 Australia


        The Heretic (Formerly the Watcher and the Realist)
        P.O. Box 38-262
        Petone, Wellington, New Zealand

[Lupo comments; An eclectic Zine (though an organ of the OSV), older
issues of which are archived in the various aformentioned FTP sites]


        Onslaught
        Luciferian Light Group
        P.O. Box 7207
        Tampa, FL 33673

[Lupo comments; Though they have advertised in various Satanic
journals for some years now, I know nothing about this group, so
YMMV.  They have not answered any of my inquiries.]


        Order of Nine Angles
        PO Box 235
        Shrewsbury,
        Shropshire
        England UK

[Lupo note:  Several pricey books, a "sinister" tarot deck, and a
journal.  The ONA was gracious enough to send me a microfilm
containing many of their major works; I found them very impressive.
This address may not be as current as the one mentioned previously.]


        _Dark Lily_ "The Reality of the Left Hand Path"
        BCM Box 3404
        London WC1N 3XX UK

[Well respected journal of British LHP]



                      Blessed Be!
                      Elf22@juno.com

   "Magick is not something you do, magick is something you are.
   True magicians realize that since they can work magick and affect
   their lives, they are really free to do anything they wish.  True
   magicians also realize that they are responsible for their
   actions.  Thus freedom and responsibility are signs of a magickal
   lifestyle."   -Donald Michael Kraig, _Modern Magick_


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