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70262.2205@compuserve.com (Peter M. Perchansky) writes:

>Actually, it contains a large amount of historical facts with zero
>historical mistakes or inaccuracies.

Someone else posted the URL to a list of Biblical cotradictions.
Here's a few excerpts therefrom:

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Who is the father of Joseph?

MAT 1:16 And Jacob begat Joseph the husband of Mary, of whom was born
Jesus, who is called Christ.

LUK 3:23 And Jesus himself began to be about thirty years of age, being
(as was supposed) the son of Joseph, which was the son of Heli.

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Who was at the Empty Tomb? Is it :

MAT 28:1 In the end of the sabbath, as it began to dawn toward the first
day of the week, came Mary Magdalene and the other Mary to see the
sepulchre.

MAR 16:1 And when the sabbath was past, Mary Magdalene, and Mary the
mother of James, and Salome, had bought sweet spices, that they might
come and anoint him.

JOH 20:1 The first day of the week cometh Mary Magdalene early, when it
was yet dark, unto the sepulchre, and seeth the stone taken away from
the sepulchre.

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Is Jesus equal to or lesser than?

JOH 10:30 I and my Father are one.

JOH 14:28 Ye have heard how I said unto you, I go away, and come again
unto you. If ye loved me, ye would rejoice, because I said, I go unto
the Father: for my Father is greater than I.

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Which first--beasts or man?

GEN 1:25 And God made the beast of the earth after his kind, and cattle
after their kind, and every thing that creepeth upon the earth after his
kind: and God saw that it was good.
GEN 1:26 And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness:
and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl
of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every
creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth.

GEN 2:18 And the LORD God said, It is not good that the man should be
alone; I will make him an help meet for him.
GEN 2:19 And out of the ground the LORD God formed every beast of the
field, and every fowl of the air; and brought them unto Adam to see what
he would call them: and whatsoever Adam called every living creature,
that was the name thereof.

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How many stalls and horsemen?

KI1 4:26 And Solomon had forty thousand stalls of horses for his chariots,
and twelve thousand horsemen.

CH2 9:25 And Solomon had four thousand stalls for horses and chariots,
and twelve thousand horsemen; whom he bestowed in the chariot cities,
and with the king at Jerusalem.

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The sins of the father

ISA 14:21 Prepare slaughter for his children for the iniquity of their
fathers; that they do not rise, nor possess the land, nor fill the face
of the world with cities.

DEU 24:16 The fathers shall not be put to death for the children, neither
shall the children be put to death for the fathers: every man shall be
put to death for his own sin.

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Rabbits do not chew their cud

LEV 11:6 And the hare, because he cheweth the cud, but divideth not the
hoof; he is unclean unto you.

Gerah', the term which appears in the MT means (chewed) cud, and also
perhaps grain, or berry (also a 20th of a sheckel, but I think that we
can agree that that is irrelevant here). It does *not* mean dung, and
there is a perfectly adequate Hebrew word for that, which could have
been used. Furthermore, the phrase translated 'chew the cud' in the
KJV is more exactly 'bring up the cud'. Rabbits do not bring up
anything; they let it go all the way through, then eat it again. The
description given in Leviticus is inaccurate, and that's that. Rabbits
do eat their own dung; they do not bring anything up and chew on it.

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Insects do NOT have four feet

LEV 11:21 Yet these may ye eat of every flying creeping thing that goeth
upon all four, which have legs above their feet, to leap withal upon the
earth;
LEV 11:22 Even these of them ye may eat; the locust after his kind, and
the bald locust after his kind, and the beetle after his kind, and the
grasshopper after his kind.
LEV 11:23 But all other flying creeping things, which have four feet,
shall be an abomination unto you.

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Fowl from waters or ground?

GEN 1:20 And God said, Let the waters bring forth abundantly the moving
creature that hath life, and fowl that may fly above the earth in the
open firmament of heaven.
GEN 1:21 And God created great whales, and every living creature that
moveth, which the waters brought forth abundantly, after their kind,
and every winged fowl after his kind: and God saw that it was good.

GEN 2:19 And out of the ground the LORD God formed every beast of the
field, and every fowl of the air; and brought them unto Adam to see what
he would call them: and whatsoever Adam called every living creature,
that was the name thereof.

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Order of creation

Here is the order in the first (Genesis 1), the Priestly tradition:
Day 1: Sky, Earth, light
Day 2: Water, both in ocean basins and above the sky(!)
Day 3: Plants
Day 4: Sun, Moon, stars (as calendrical and navigational aids)
Day 5: Sea monsters (whales), fish, birds, land animals, creepy-crawlies
(reptiles, insects, etc.)
Day 6: Humans (apparently both sexes at the same time)
Day 7: Nothing (the Gods took the first day off anyone ever did)
Note that there are "days", "evenings", and "mornings" before the Sun
was created. Here, the Deity is referred to as "Elohim", which is a
plural, thus the literal translation, "the Gods". In this tale, the Gods
seem satisfied with what they have done, saying after each step that
"it was good".

The second one (Genesis 2), the Yahwist tradition, goes:
Earth and heavens (misty)
Adam, the first man (on a desolate Earth)
Plants
Animals
Eve, the first woman (from Adam's rib)

How orderly were things created?
#1: Step-by-step. The only discrepancy is that there is no Sun or Moon
or stars on the first three "days".
#2: God fixes things up as he goes. The first man is lonely, and is not
satisfied with animals. God finally creates a woman for him. (funny
thing that an omniscient god would forget things)

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Judas' death

Acts 1:18: "Now this man (Judas) purchased a field with the reward of
iniquity; and falling headlong, he burst asunder in the midst, and all
his bowels gushed out."

Matt. 27:5-7: "And he (Judas) cast down the pieces of silver in the
temple, and departed, and went and hanged himself. And the chief
priests...bought with them the potter's field."

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Jesus' first sermon plain or mount?

Matt.5:1,2: "And seeing the multitudes, he went up into a mountain:
and when he was set, his disciples came unto him: And he opened his
mouth, and taught them, saying...."

Luke6:17,20: "And he came down with them, and stood in the plain, and
the company of his disciples, and a great multitude of people...came
to hear him.. And he lifted up his eyes on his disciples and said..."

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Jesus' last words

Matt.27:46,50: "And about the ninth hour Jesus cried with a loud voice,
saying, "Eli, eli, lama sabachthani?" that is to say, "My God, my God,
why hast thou forsaken me?" ...Jesus, when he cried again with a loud
voice, yielded up the ghost."

Luke23:46: "And when Jesus had cried with a loud voice, he said,
"Father, unto thy hands I commend my spirit:" and having said thus,
he gave up the ghost."

John19:30: "When Jesus therefore had received the vinegar, he said,
"It is finished:" and he bowed his head, and gave up the ghost."

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Who killed Saul?

SA1 31:4 Then said Saul unto his armourbearer, Draw thy sword, and
thrust me through therewith; lest these uncircumcised come and thrust
me through, and abuse me. But his armourbearer would not; for he was
sore afraid. Therefore Saul took a sword, and fell upon it.
SA1 31:5 And when his armourbearer saw that Saul was dead, he fell
likewise upon his sword, and died with him.
SA1 31:6 So Saul died, and his three sons, and his armourbearer, and all
his men, that same day together.

SA2 1:15 And David called one of the young men, and said, Go near,
and fall upon him. And he smote him that he died.

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How many children did Michal, the daughter of Saul, have?

SA2 6:23 Therefore Michal the daughter of Saul had no child unto the day
of her death.

SA2 21:8 But the king took the two sons of Rizpah the daughter of Aiah,
whom she bare unto Saul, Armoni and Mephibosheth; and the five sons of
Michal the daughter of Saul, whom she brought up for Adriel the son of
Barzillai the Meholathite:

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How old was Jehoiachin when he began to reign?

KI2 24:8 Jehoiachin was eighteen years old when he began to reign, and
he reigned in Jerusalem three months. And his mother's name was Nehushta,
the daughter of Elnathan of Jerusalem.

CH2 36:9 Jehoiachin was eight years old when he began to reign, and he
reigned three months and ten days in Jerusalem: and he did that which
was evil in the sight of the LORD.

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Marriage?

Proverbs 18:22

1 Corinthians 7 (whole book. See 1,2,27,39,40)

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Where was Jesus three days after his baptism?

MAR 1:12 And immediately the spirit driveth him into the wilderness.

JOH 1:35 Again the next day after John stood, and two of his disciples;
(various trapsing)

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Whom did they see at the tomb?

MAT 28:2 And, behold, there was a great earthquake: for the angel of the
Lord descended from heaven, and came and rolled back the stone from the
door, and sat upon it.
MAT 28:3 His countenance was like lightning, and his raiment white as
snow:
MAT 28:4 And for fear of him the keepers did shake, and became as dead
men.
MAT 28:5 And the angel answered and said unto the women, Fear not ye:
for I know that ye seek Jesus, which was crucified.

MAR 16:5 And entering into the sepulchre, they saw a young man sitting
on the right side, clothed in a long white garment; and they were
affrighted.

LUK 24:4 And it came to pass, as they were much perplexed thereabout,
behold, two men stood by them in shining garments:

JOH 20:12 And seeth two angels in white sitting, the one at the head,
and the other at the feet, where the body of Jesus had lain.

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While these inconsistencies don't make the Bible any less of a source
for some good ideas, it does call into question the concept of the Bible
as inerrant.

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