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Msg#: 8164 Date: 02-21-96 07:34
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Subj: Atlantis 1/3
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Msg#: 75 Date: 02-14-96 00:56
From: Density4@cts.com Read: Yes Replied: No
To: All Mark:
Subj: Atlantis, The Atlantis Gr
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From: density4@cts.com (Blue Resonant Human)
Subject: Atlantis, The Atlantis Grid, DNA and the Redemption of the Universe
Organization: CTS Network Services
Atlantis, The Atlantis Grid, DNA
and the Redemption of the Universe.
by Peter Rhodes-Dimmer
The question of DNA - and the inter-racial difficulties it
caused - was important in Atlantis, and this article attempts to
show why, what the historical background was, and the context it
gives us for today.
There was more than one type of humanoid present during Atlantis.
To understand how this came about, we have to look back
further in time, at even earlier civilisations on this planet.
The humanoid form is a design that has existed for aeons of time,
and over that time has been expressed in may different ways.
To explain what is meant by this, we might take a house design
as a metaphor. Its plans, elevations, levels, general layout,
rooms, the pitch of the roof, etc. - all taken together - are
what constitute that design. The expression of that design may
be to build it from timber, bricks, metal sheets, mud and wattle
- the end effect will be very different depending on the
materials chosen, but it's all the same fundamental design.
So it is with the humanoid form. Over time, the same design has
been expressed a number of different ways, using the best DNA
that was then available, which in turn reflects different stages
in the development of the physical planes of existence. Since
Humanity has been in the phenomenon known as The Fall - from the
time of Atlantis we have been moving steadily down through the
frequencies those who came before us now exist only at higher
frequency levels, which, being largely out of sync with our own,
are no longer a part of our general consciousness. What
memories are left are now consigned to fairy stories and
mythology.
On planet Earth, there have been three great DNA experiments
capable of expressing the humanoid design. The first was the
reptilian, and we know that, prior to the domination by the
planet of the Dinosaurs, the reptiles represented the major and
most advanced DNA building block on the planet, and many
different reptilian forms resulted. The highest expression of
the reptilian DNA was a humanoid, reptile-man, or Reptoid. They
formed the first great civilisation here, now completely lost to
any recorded history. They were cold blooded, and therefore
very temperature sensitive, although in a highly energised
planetary environment, this probably mattered little. Compared
to today's hu-man, they were almost devoid of emotion.
The Dinosaurs, the second great experiment, were a much more
sophisticated DNA form, and they were even more prolific, being
the dominant DNA on Earth for 165 million years. Over time they
developed to become warm blooded, allowing them to operate
efficiently in a wide variety of ambient temperatures.
A recent documentary on The Discovery Channel followed an
interesting scientific detective story, as several Professors in
this field explored sites where dinosaur footprints and tracks -
sometimes by the thousand - are to be found. What became
evident was that there were no tail prints, which turns out to
be highly significant. All our pictures of Dinosaurs, developed
against images first proposed over 100 years ago, show large
tails being dragged, lizard-like, over the ground, and these
were shown to be incorrect. The facts drawn from imprints left
on the ground, and re-constructions of the implied mechanics of
walking, now appear to indicate that these tails were balancing
devices, and as such, were held horizontally, and clear of the
ground, leaving no trail.
The documentary illustrated that over time that one particular
group of dinosaurs had become increasingly upright. The
terrifying Terrano-saurus Rex is a good example, as its
massively muscular front legs were far too short to be useful
as legs. They were arms - T-Rex moved on two legs, and stood
upright, as did many of the later dinosaurs.
... Welcome to the world of high technology.--Walter Skinner
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Msg#: 8165 Date: 02-21-96 07:34
From: Mike Pell Read: Yes Replied: No
To: All Mark: Reply
Subj: Atlantis 2/3
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One professor in the documentary showed his conclusion of the
logical pinnacle of the development of dinosaurs, in the form of
a full scale model. It was a giant humanoid! So, a humanoid
based on Dinosaur DNA - or a Dinoid - is now tentatively
supported by the latest archaeological findings. Indeed,
science is thus just beginning to support what the kids comic
strip writers, and of the great science-fiction series, appear
to have known for decades. There are a variety of humanoids
that have developed in the past, based on the same basic design
as our own, and making the highest use of the best DNA that was
available when and where this happened. Thus, for example, the
Cardassians from Star Trek are a Reptoid race, humanoid beings
based on the reptilian DNA. The Klingons are a Dinoid race,
humanoids based on the dinosaur DNA.
The Dinoids were the second humanoid civilisation, here on Earth,
in pre-history. Like the Reptoids, they left and moved to
colonise other places, long ago.
How does this apply to Atlantis? Well, we are all, vaguely,
aware that these complete civilisations have been here before
our recorded - or even speculated history. Indeed, they were!
First the Reptoids, with their distinctly unfeeling, unemotional
demeanour. Then the dinoids, who, being warm blooded, were far
more like us. Both developed, ascended to higher frequencies,
and left the planet. Both types, in their higher form, came
back again, many, many times. There were many civilisations,
spread around the cosmos, based on one or other of the two main
DNA types, and there were almost certainly other DNA derivatives
of the humanoid design, as well. Crustaceans, and Arachnid
forms come to mind from the comic strips - perhaps these, too,
represent some distant memory?
The book 'Two Thirds' records how the Alteans (who appear to
have been a Dinoid race) travelled across two galaxies to settle
on Mars, where they spent two hundred thousand years developing
the new DNA from which the hu-man being - the third great DNA
experiment on Earth - was to be created. Then, in just two
generations they genetically engineered the native anthropoids
to create the first true humans. They went on to observe,
manage, and lead the new hu-man race through hundreds of
thousands of years as it started it's long developmental period.
Notice the similarity between the names 'Altean' and 'Atlantean'.
The Dinoids were a far more developed humanoid type than the
humans, since they had existed immeasurably longer. However,
their DNA was ultimately less capable than the human DNA, so
that their ultimate development could not go nearly as far as
the full potential of the human being. They looked for ways to
get around this restriction, and in particular, they did this
energetically, developing a two layer soul structure. The first
layer was not unlike ours. The second, a sort of soul-mantle,
held many extraordinary faculties which, today, we are only just
becoming cognoscente of. Using the power of this mantle, they
could manifest into the physical, travel across time and
dimensions, communicate telepathically, teleport and bi-locate.
Although Earth had long since ceased to be the home for their
civilisations, later, a small number of Dinoids were here for a
long time as powerful leaders of the newer hu-man beings. They
lead Atlantis, and later were the Pharaoh's of ancient Egypt.
It is probable that there were Reptoids here, as well, at that
time. Again, the book 'Two Thirds' is interesting, as it
portrays the reptilian group, one of several civilisations from
the Plaeides, and the Alteans (who were Dinoid) struggling for
control of the galaxy. The role of the hu-man, after a very
tough time over many incarnations, is illustrated in the book as
1995, the grid locked on to the planet, rather than pass right
by, as it had done so many times before. At the end of that
month, ceremonies around the world were performed to start the
process of re-commissioning the grid into it's true form, which
is highly energised, and multi-dimensional. All twelve cosmic
energies are now present for the first time since Atlantis, and
now there is a thirteenth energy, which is only just appearing
around the whole planet for the first time. This energy holds
the whole system together, and in a form that is highly
resistant to abuse (unlike the system of seven it replaces,
which is easily polarised). This energy, now coming into it's
own for the first time, was seeded two thousand years ago, and
is what we might now call the Christ Energy.
The grid that gave rise to, and supported Atlantis is back.
Soon, all the energetic structures it represents will be in
place and operating, and in addition, the Christ energy will
envelop the whole planet. The much discussed Ascension is the
move back up the energies, driven by the re-commissioning of the
Atlantis grid, to where we once were energetically, at the time
when the Dinoids reigned, and abundance and magic were, for so
long, the order of the day.
... A lie is most convincingly hidden between two truths.--Deep Throat
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Msg#: 8166 Date: 02-21-96 07:34
From: Mike Pell Read: Yes Replied: No
To: All Mark: Reply
Subj: Atlantis 3/3
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The big difference is that now, humanity has evolved a great
deal, having been tempered by long experience of the fall,
separation, and all that has gone with it through many hundreds,
if not thousands, of incarnations. We are ready to take, and
use, the powers that were once available to Atlantis, for the
highest good, and in an entirely new format. What is now
happening will eventually benefit the whole cosmos, as it brings
about the full and positive expression of the powers for so long
latent in the Human design. What is on offer to humanity is
it's destiny, is no less than the leadership position in the
redemption of the Universe!
Peter Rhodes-Dimmer
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Msg#: 8167 Date: 02-21-96 07:34
From: Mike Pell Read: Yes Replied: No
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Subj: Sumer
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Msg#: 137 Date: 02-16-96 22:45
From: Jsavino@superlink.net Read: Yes Replied: No
To: All Mark:
Subj: Re: Ancient Astronauts
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From: jsavino@superlink.net (Savino)
Subject: Re: Ancient Astronauts
Organization: SuperNet, Inc., NJ, USA (908-828-8988)
Doug Weller (dweller@ramtops.demon.co.uk) wrote:
: In article <4frh5b$gs9@earth.superlink.net>,
: jsavino@superlink.net (Savino) wrote:
: [SNIP]
:> Moreover, both aliens had the same name and the same celestial home
:> (which is invisible to the naked eye).
: Ok, I'll bite, which were....?
Archaeoastronomic / archaeological records indicate that the home of the
Andean alien Amaru ("The Serpent") was a constellation likewise called
The Serpent. Though apparently never seen by Andean or archaeoastronomer
alike, this constellation was described as a S-shaped dark nebula lying
to the north of the great llama that runs south from Epsilon Scorpii.
Archaeoastronomic / archaeological records from the Near East indicate
that the home of the alien called The Serpent was a constellation
likewise called The Serpent, beginning on the star Theta Ophiuchii
and curving around to Zeta Ophiuchii.
Anyway, it turns out that a S-shaped dark nebula --invisible to the
naked eye-- actually exists near the star Theta Ophiuchii, just to the
north of Scorpio. The astronomers call it The Snake, or more formally,
nebula B72. A Serpent at roughly the same location is the only point of
mutual agreement between the Andean constellations of dark nebulae and
the Sumerian constellations of bright stars, and I have compiled a
significant amount of evidence to support these notions. I take it quite
seriously since the make-up of the night sky seems to be one of the most
stable elements of human knowledge.
Let's make something clear: the evidence is strongly suggestive but not
conclusive. From the Sumerian side, I find no signs of knowledge that the
celestial serpent was comprised of dark nebulae, but the lack of a celestial
fix may account for this being almost the only constellation to change shape,
enlarged and turned toward more northern skies to become our contemporary
Serpens. On the Andean side, the unseen Serpent remained stable, but to
give themselves something to look at they effectively duplicated its
S-shape out of visible nebulae in more southern skies.
An alien civilization may very well reside within or near the nebula we
call B72, and I firmly believe a thorough search of that area of the sky
is more likely to produce results than a superficial search across the
entire sky.
The precise coordinates of the alien civilization would, of course, be
enormously helpful. If anyone is interested in really wild speculation,
I have something to suggest: try to find the point of collision on the
celestial sphere of a planetary arrow running out of our solar system
and a star arrow running out of Scorpio's tail. The rules of the game
are as follows:
Horizontal Coordinates
You must begin with Mars in all cases, and then try running through one
of the innermost planets or through the midpoint between Venus and Mercury.
Timer: alignment of Venus, Mars and Uranus. Epoch: mid-September of 433 A.D.
Vertical Coordinates
The best tries seem to be a) Theta Scorpii through the midpoint of Lambda
Scorpii and Upsilon Scorpii, and b) the midpoint of Kappa Scorpii and Theta
Scorpii through Lambda Scorpii. Epoch: mid-September of 433 A.D.
P.S. If you have a radio telescope, please try to tune in at some
imaginative frequencies.
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Msg#: 1 Date: 27 Jul 96 16:43:23
From: Antryg Windrose
To: Martin Van Leijen
Subj: Atlantis
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MVL> You CAN erect Easter Island heads with just manpower, ropes, and a
MVL> few logs. There ARE ancient Egyptian paintings showing how pyramids
MVL> and megasculptures were put into place (as Lister said, "Whips.
MVL> Massive whips.") Most of the Nazca "runways" are 5' or less across.
MVL> Almost every ship which disappeard in the Triangle "on a clear day"
MVL> did so during major storms. There is *no record of Atlantis prior
MVL> to Plato*, who sets up the whole situation by explaining that Solon's
MVL> story was told on a day traditionally associated with *the telling of
MVL> tall tales*. Etc., etc., etc.
Aw, now you've gone and RUINED it all for everybody! #8-(
And a bloody good thing, too. Regards.
... Texans DO IT with oil.
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Msg#: 17822 Date: 08-05-96 18:20
From: Jane Segal Read: Yes Replied: No
To: Phil Clarke Mark:
Subj: Re: Atlantis
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PC>[quoting Martin van Leijen from a message to Brad Stolmar]
PC>MvL> I wonder why people don't read *Plato* instead of some pulp
PC>MvL> writers, way they might discover that Plato himself says that
PC>MvL> the STORY of is largely his own invention. Why is it that some
PC>MvL> parts of the story are true (according to the Atlantologists)
PC>and others
PC> Where would one obtain his writing? Also I doubt you were
PC>reading his work either, as you probably read/write in English. He
PC>did not, so you are at the mercy of the interpretations of the
PC>interpreter.
Hi Phil!
I would imagine that one could obtain Plato's writings in the local
library or you could order them at a book store. As far as I know, they
are not out of print as Plato is one author that our English teachers
encouraged us to read when we were young. As for the translations and
interpretations, you are absolutely correct, however unless you learn
Plato's language, which was Greek, circa 427? -347 B.C. Plato (his
nickname) was Aristocles and his mentor was Socrates. The only listings
that I could find as to a title of his work was _THE REPUBLIC_,
_Critias_ and _Timaeus_. His writings were, however made widely
available through the translations of Benjamin Jowett (1817-1893) who
was an outstanding classical scholar of Oxford University.
As for the story of Atlantis, Plato heard the story from his father,
Solon. The story was told to him by an Egyptian priest who was telling
the founding of Athens in very ancient times by the goddess Athena.
Following is the story told to Solon by the priest:
"Many great and wonderful deeds are recorded of your state in our
histories. But one of them exceeds all the rest in greatness and
valour. For these histories tell of a mighty power which unprovoked
made an expedition against the whole of Europe and Asia, and to which
your city put an end. This power came forth out of the Atlantic Ocean,
for in those days the Atlantic was navigable; and there was an island
situated in front of the straits larger than Libya and Asia put
together, and was the way to other islands, and from these you might
pass to the whole of the opposite continent which surrounded the true
ocean; for this sea which is within the Straits of Heracles is only a
harbour, having a narrow entrance, but that other is a real sea, and the
surrounding land may be most truly called a boundless continent. Now in
this island of Atlantis there was a great and wonderful empire which had
rule over the whole island and several men of Atlantis had subjected the
parts of Libya within the columns of Heracles as far as Egypt, and of
Europe as far as Tyrrhenia. This vast power, gathered into one,
endeavoured to subdue at a blow our country and yours and the whole of
the region within the straits; and then Solon, your country shone forth,
in the excellence of her virtue and strength, among all mankind. She
was pre-eminent in courage and military skill, and was the leader of the
Hellenes. And when the rest fell off from her, being compelled to stand
alone, after having undergone the very extremity of danger, she defeated
and triumphed over the invaders, and preserved from slavery those who
were not yet subjugated, and generously liberated all the rest of us who
dwell within the pillars. But afterwards there occurred violent
earthquakes and floods; and in a single day and night of misfortune all
your warlike men in a body sank into the earth, and the island of
Atlantis in like manner disappeared in the depths of the sea. For which
reason the sea in those parts is impassable and impenetrable, because
there is a shoal of mud in the way; and this was caused by the
subsidence of the island."
The next account which goes back 9,000 years was also brought up in
_Cretias_ and goes as such:
"And Poseidon, receiving for his lot the island of Atlantis, begat
children by a mortal woman, and settled them in a part of the island,
which I will describe. Looking towards the sea, but in the centre of
the whole island, there was a plain which is said to have been the
fairest of all plains and very fertile. Near the plain again, and also
in the centre of the island at a distance of about fifty stadia, there
was a mountain not very high on any side. In this mountain there dwelt
one of the earth-born primeval men of that country, whose name was
Evenor, and he had a wife Leucippe, and they had an only daughter who
was called Cleito. The maiden had already reached womanhood, when her
father and mother died; Poseidon fell in love with her and had
intercourse with her, and breaking the ground, inclosed the hill in
which she dwelt all around, making alternate zones of sea and land
larger and smaller, encircling one another; there were two of land and
three of water, which he turned as with a lathe, each having its
circumference equidistant everyway from the centre, so that no man could
get to the island, for ships and voyages were not as yet. He himself,
being a god, found no difficulty in making special arrangements for the
centre island bringing up two springs of water from beneath the earth,
one of warm water and the other cold, and making every variety of food
to spring up abundantly from the soil. He also begat and brought up
five pairs of twin male children; and dividing the island of Atlantis
into ten portions, he gave to the first-born of the eldest pair his
mother's dwelling and the surrounding allotment, which was the largest
and best, and made him king over the rest; the others he made princes,
and gave them rule over many men, and a large territory. And he named
them all; the eldest who was the first king he named Atlas, and after
him the whole island and the ocean were called Atlantic."
(Continued next message...)
"If you will practice being fictional for a while, you will understand that
fictional characters are someties more real than people with bodies and
heartbeats."
_ILLUSIONS, THE RELUCTANT MESSIAH - Richard Bach
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Msg#: 17823 Date: 08-05-96 18:20
From: Jane Segal Read: Yes Replied: No
To: Phil Clarke Mark:
Subj: Re: Atlantis
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(Continued from previous message...)
continued...
"If you will practice being fictional for a while, you will understand that
fictional characters are someties more real than people with bodies and
heartbeats."
_ILLUSIONS, THE RELUCTANT MESSIAH - Richard Bach
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Msg#: 17824 Date: 08-05-96 18:20
From: Jane Segal Read: Yes Replied: No
To: Phil Clarke Mark:
Subj: Re: Atlantis
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continued from previous message RE: Plato and Atlantis
Plato goes on...
"First of all they bridged over the zones of sea which surrounded the
ancient metropolis, making a road to and from the royal palace. And at
the very beginning they built the palace in the habitation of the god
and of their ancestors, which they continued to ornamenting successive
generations, every king surpassing the one who went before him to the
utmost of his power, until they made the building a marvel to behold for
size and for beauty. And beginning from the sea they bored a canal of
three hundred feet in width and one hundred feet in depth and fifty
stadia in length, which they carried through to the outermost zone,
making a passage from the sea up to this, which became a harbour, and
leaving an opening sufficient to enable the largest vessels to find
ingress. Moreover, they divided at the bridges the zones of land which
parted the zones of sea, leaving room for a single trireme to pass out
of one zone into another, and they covered over the channels so as to
leave a way underneath for the ships; for the banks were raised
considerably above the water. Now the largest of the zones into which a
passage was cut from the sea was tree stadia in breadth, and the zone of
land which came next of equal bredth; but the next two zones, the one of
water, the other of land, were two stadia, and the one which surrounded
the central island was a stadium only in width. The island in which the
palace was situated had a diameter of five stadia. All this including
the zones and the bridge, which was the sixth part of a stadium in
width, they surrounded by a stone wall on every side, placing towers and
gates on the bridges where the sea passed in. The stone which was used
in the work they quarried from underneath the centre island, and from
underneath the zones, on the outer as well as the inner side. One kind
was white, another black, and a third red, and as they quarried, they at
the same time hollowed out red, and as they quarried, they at the same
time hollowed out double docks, having roofs formed out of the native
rock. Some of their buildings were simple, but in others they put
together different stones, varying the colour to please the eye, and to
be a natural source of delight. The entire circuit of the wall, which
went round the outermost zone, they covered with a coating of brass, and
the circuit of the next wall they coated with tin, and the third, which
encompassed the citadel, flashed with the red light of orichalcum..."(*
A yellow metallic substance considered precious by the ancient Greeks,
probably a type of brass.)
There follows a description of the palaces and temples:
"In the next place, they had fountains, one of cold and another of hot
water, in gracious plenty flowing; and they were wonderfully adapted for
use by reason of the pleasantness and excellence of their waters. They
constructed buildings about them and planted suitable trees; also they
made cisterns, some open to the heavens, others roofed over, to be used
in winter as warm baths; there were the kings' baths, and the baths of
private persons, which were kept apart; and there were separate baths
for women, and for horses and cattle, and of each of them they gave as
much adornment as was suitable. Of the water which gave as much
adornment as was suitable. Of the water which ran off they carried some
to the grove of Poseidon, where were growing all manner of trees of
wonderful height and beauty, owing to the excellence of the soil, while
others for horses in both of the two islands formed by the zones; and in
the centre of the larger of the two there was set apart a race-course of
a stadium in width, and in length allowed to extend all round the
island, for horses to race in."
After describing guardhouses and the crowded docks, Plato goes on:
"Leaving the palace and passing out across the three harbours, you came
to a wall which began at the sea and went all around: this was
everywhere distant fifty stadia from the largest zone or harbour, and
enclosed the whole, the ends meeting at the mouth of the channel which
led to the sea. The entire area was densely crowded with habitations;
and the canal and the largest of the harbours were full of vessels and
merchants coming from all parts, who, from their numbers, kept up a
multitudinous sound of human voices, and din and clatter of all sorts
night and day.
I have described the city and the environs of the ancient palace nearly
in the words of Solon, and now I must endeavour to represent to you the
nature and arrangement of the rest of the land. The whole country was
said by him to be very lofty and precipitous on the side of the sea, but
the country immediately about and surrounding the city was a level
plain, itself surrounded by mountains which descended towards the sea;
it was smooth and even, and of an oblong shape, extending in one
direction three thousand stadia, but across the centre inland it was two
thousand stadia. This part of the island looked towards the south, and
was sheltered from the north. The surrounding mountains were celebrated
for their number and size and beauty, far beyond any which still exist,
having in them also many wealthy villages of country folk, and rivers,
and lakes, and meadows supplying food enough for every animal, wild or
tame, and much wood of various sorts, abundant for each and every kind
of work.
I will now describe the plain, as it was fashioned by nature and by the
labours of many generations of kings through long ages. It was for the
most part rectangular and oblong, and where falling out of the straight
line followed the circular ditch. The depth, and width, and length of
this ditch were incredible, and gave the impression that a work of such
extent, in addition to so many others, could never have been artificial.
(Continued next message...)
"If you will practice being fictional for a while, you will understand that
fictional characters are someties more real than people with bodies and
heartbeats."
_ILLUSIONS, THE RELUCTANT MESSIAH - Richard Bach
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Ä Area: UFO ÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄ
Msg#: 17825 Date: 08-05-96 18:20
From: Jane Segal Read: Yes Replied: No
To: Phil Clarke Mark:
Subj: Re: Atlantis
ÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄ
(Continued from previous message...)
Nevertheless I must say what I was told. It was excavated to the depth
of a hundred feet, and its breadth was a stadium everywhere; it was
carried round the whole of the plain, and was ten thousand stadia in
length. It received the streams which came down from the mountains, and
winding round the plain and meeting at the city, was there let off into
the sea. Further inland, likewise, straight canals of a hundred feet in
width were cut from it through the plain, and again let off into the
ditch leading to the sea: these canals were at intervals of a hundred
stadia, and by them they brought down the wood from the mountains to the
city, and conveyed the fruits of the earth in ships, cutting transverse
passages from one canal into another, and to the city. Twice in the
year they gathered the fruits of the earth-in winter having the benefit
of the rains of heaven, and in summer the water which the land supplied
by introducing the streams from the canals.
continued....
"If you will practice being fictional for a while, you will understand that
fictional characters are someties more real than people with bodies and
heartbeats."
_ILLUSIONS, THE RELUCTANT MESSIAH - Richard Bach
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Msg#: 17826 Date: 08-05-96 18:20
From: Jane Segal Read: Yes Replied: No
To: Phil Clarke Mark:
Subj: Re: Atlantis
ÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄ
Part 3
Plato then tells of the population, the armed forces, with their
10,000chariots and 1,200 ships, the laws of Atlantis and their
administration. In discussing "the vast power which the god settled in
the lost island of Atlantis," Plato says the virtues of the people of
Atlantis remained great as long as the divine element lasted in them.
But, he says:
"when the divine portion began to fade away, and became diluted too
often and too much with the mortal admixture, and the human nature got
the upper hand, they then, being unable to bear their fortune, behaved
unseemly, and to him who had an eye to see, grew visibly debased, for
they were losing the fairest of their precious gifts; but to those who
had no eye to see the true happiness they appeared glorious and blessed
at the very time when they were full of avarice and unrighteous power."
"If you will practice being fictional for a while, you will understand that
fictional characters are someties more real than people with bodies and
heartbeats."
_ILLUSIONS, THE RELUCTANT MESSIAH - Richard Bach
(1:209/276)
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